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[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Only if this discussion convinced you to stop smoking.

Do you think they would implement a system like this without testing in a simulator and comparing the results to human pilots?

How can they, your design involves sensors that detect ships on the water, they can use a simulator all they like it just ain't the real world, I have no idea what they would do to go down that road, my guess is they will leech the tech from the military and their unmanned programmes.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Not being funny, but if your instruments are showing a very low airspeed, you have a nose up attitude but are falling like a brick then anybody who has any idea about flight would know that pulling back on the stick is absolutely the wrong thing to do. Even worse is to tell the other pilot that you've relinquished control when in fact you haven't and are still pulling back the stick all the way down into the sea. God knows what the junior pilot was thinking.

For the average airline pilot the climbing/descent is controlled primarily by the throttle, not by the nose attitude. When you're used to a system that keeps your speed constant and you just input the angle of climb/descent with the joystick, you can easily forget about the common laws of physics.
The very first thing they teach you when you learn to fly is that your climb is given not necessarily by your pitch, but firstly by your throttle.
The scenario the young pilot found himself in was one where he was applying full throttle and the aircraft wasn't behaving the way he expected it to. He probably panicked and just kept on pulling on the stick because in his Airbus-trained mind that doesn't mean "keep the nose up" but "gain altitude".
That's the flaw of the system: you haven't lost control of the plane, because if you apply the right input the plane will come out of the stall, you're applying an input and expecting the plane to do something different.
Notice how the whole thing went on for several minutes, it wasn't just a fraction of a second wrong move. The guy really thought he was doing the right thing, and in a way he was, it's the whole malicious way in which Airbus aircraft can behave that is a major cause here, other than the fatal combination of ineptitude of the whole crew.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

david, no matter how powerful and sensor-loaded you make a computer, if it doesn't have a conscience or a human-like self awareness it won't ever perform like a real pilot.

I would not expect it to perform like a real pilot. I would expect it to perform much, much better than a real pilot. It doesn't need a conscience or self-awareness to do that, it needs situational awareness and the ability to quickly calculate aerodynamic related equations. All you need from the pilot is to point to a spot on a map to tell the aircraft where to go.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

How can they, your design involves sensors that detect ships on the water, they can use a simulator all they like it just ain't the real world, I have no idea what they would do to go down that road, my guess is they will leech the tech from the military and their unmanned programmes.

They would need terrain mapping radar. The simulator would not test that. The simulator would be used to test how the computer handled emergencies.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Just like people flying online and expecting miracles - just blaming the machine. Will and physical movement are two different things. Except he WAS trained!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

There is a saying, "German Generals, French Officers and British Soldiers...". This just shows the mental determination of the French officer class. - I believe him!

I don't know this saying, what does it mean? Here's a nice quote though

"The Hun is either at your throat, or at your feet"

[5./JG27.Farber]

To make the best army.

[RedToo]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalairforcemuseum/

RedToo.

[danjama]

Nice, thank you. I'm sure i searched for them on there before, but found nothing. Baffling.

[Sternjaeger II]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDs1x...eature=related

some of the details shown were very interesting, i.e. the canopy release system, adjustable seat and last but not least the fact that the Revi 16 could be moved out of the way!