The real IL2 focus group (Everyone come in here)

[jt_medina]

Originally Posted by peterdegrotere

stop bitching guys, some of you are crossing the line, if its up to me..., you have your thougts abouth things, oke thats cool, but what i see here ?the attack on anton, he told you whats the reason was and there will be no changes, he kept it in a nice way and took the trouble for uss, to let uss know whats going on behind closed doors, and some of you are bitching him off.
Im not gonna go in any discussion with you, but you know if your the one to be a shamed of yourself

I am not attacking anyone, just expresing my concerns about such important feature to me. I want this sim to become as realistically as possible and in my opinion like the 99% of sim fans is that blackouts have been a feature since the very first simulators.

But don´t be wrong, I am not offending anyone or crossing any line but just expressing my concerns. That´s all.
And I still think that this decision is a big mistake.

[dandymountfarto]

i dont get it. its gonna be the same game for everybody, so whats the problem? the plus points of this game should far outweigh any of the minor little trivialities such as this. my sofa cant simulate turbulence and buffeting, do i have to build a replica cockpit on hydraulics to enjoy playing a flight game? are Forza or GT any less enjoyable for being on the arcade side of realistic?

BoP will be a benchmark flight game for consoles, and the more people who buy it and ENJOY it, the better the chances are of future follow up releases with even MORE features, such as redouts/blackouts, more MP modes, larger aircraft rosters. and really, tbh, 5 mins playing the game you wont miss red/blackouts - you'll forget all about it cos the game will be sooo good or something else will crop up to complain about.

[Jimatay]

Im not THAT fussed about the black out/red outs being taken out the game (as in i can live without it) Im still more fussed about hearing German radio Chatter in Sim/realistic mode. I know Anton gave the reason that it was too quiet without more chatter (which is fair enough) but the easy and more realistic solution to this is to add more Allied chatter. Its little things like that that can take away the realism for me.

[xNikex]

Originally Posted by Jimatay

Im not THAT fussed about the black out/red outs being taken out the game (as in i can live without it) Im still more fussed about hearing German radio Chatter in Sim/realistic mode. I know Anton gave the reason that it was too quiet without more chatter (which is fair enough) but the easy and more realistic solution to this is to add more Allied chatter. Its little things like that that can take away the realism for me.

A neat feature would be to hear German radio stations once you enter enemy territory. Like hearing a song(that does not set the mood at all) while planes are burning and spiraling out of control all around you.

[peterdegrotere]

Originally Posted by jt_medina

I am not attacking anyone, just expresing my concerns about such important feature to me. I want this sim to become as realistically as possible and in my opinion like the 99% of sim fans is that blackouts have been a feature since the very first simulators.

But don´t be wrong, I am not offending anyone or crossing any line but just expressing my concerns. That´s all.
And I still think that this decision is a big mistake.

if you think your one of them, because your reacting you know enough,if not than not, i thought i wrote this also for another post, but that has to been removed or changed now, i just cant stand that people are so not human..i mean a guy (anton) that helps us fly,nerds giving information,.. and if people dont like the answer they start bitching, and starting a useless discussion ..come on guys, i know there are some good fans, maybe the what older guys with more sense that like the effort anton makes, i mean he can let us swim in the water without any information.you can discus thinks thats no problem that what forums are for, but please thread people with a bit of respect you'll
greetz me

[P-51]

We realy need to give anton some respect, you are all acting like babies. Im 15 and seem to have a greater apreciation of what anton dose than most of you! Now I for one would have prefered Q&A to this obsessive whining.
Chris

[OntheCrab]

Originally Posted by dandymountfarto

i dont get it. its gonna be the same game for everybody, so whats the problem? the plus points of this game should far outweigh any of the minor little trivialities such as this. my sofa cant simulate turbulence and buffeting, do i have to build a replica cockpit on hydraulics to enjoy playing a flight game? are Forza or GT any less enjoyable for being on the arcade side of realistic?

BoP will be a benchmark flight game for consoles, and the more people who buy it and ENJOY it, the better the chances are of future follow up releases with even MORE features, such as redouts/blackouts, more MP modes, larger aircraft rosters. and really, tbh, 5 mins playing the game you wont miss red/blackouts - you'll forget all about it cos the game will be sooo good or something else will crop up to complain about.

Yep.

My two cents: a was and still am a plane geek, i'm also a hardcore gamer. I was always in between PCs and never got a chance to play the original IL-2.

What I did play was EAW, AOE, AOTP and even Jane's WWII Fighters way back when; and to be honest I didn't really give a crap about red/blackout back then - but I did appreciate the option of having it.

I am a console gamer now and I have never been more excited for a game in my life, and for flight fans who love gaming (many of whom now have the next-gen consoles) this is hands down the BEST thing to happen on a console, ever - and considering where the industry is going right now, this is the biggest splash for flight sims on the mainstream for a long time.

I guess what i'm saying is just support this game, put it all in perspective and be happy with what we get to play. The community is what is important; we need to focus on this, not the nitpickery - like Anton said, the hardcores are the community but we're not the majority. If concessions need to be made so I get to play a game this deep and advanced on my freaking Xbox, sign me up - i'll cut the code myself.

Anyway, I remain unblownaway by this decision but would be happy with its addition in a SEQUEL. Depth is always good. Honestly though, if they put one new feature in a BoP 2, i'd be voting for a dynamic campaign anyway!

Buck it up, guys. You're entitled to your opinions, I just find then to be unfair and tactless now that Anton has put it in perspective.

Now i'm tired.

[jt_medina]

Originally Posted by peterdegrotere

if you think your one of them, because your reacting you know enough,if not than not, i thought i wrote this also for another post, but that has to been removed or changed now, i just cant stand that people are so not human..i mean a guy (anton) that helps us fly,nerds giving information,.. and if people dont like the answer they start bitching, and starting a useless discussion ..come on guys, i know there are some good fans, maybe the what older guys with more sense that like the effort anton makes, i mean he can let us swim in the water without any information.you can discus thinks thats no problem that what forums are for, but please thread people with a bit of respect you'll
greetz me

Bitching??!!!!, are you out of your mind!!??.

Can´t I disagree with the opinion of a poster???, I just said my personal opinion, never insulted anyone, never said this BOP is garbage, I just said that the lack of blackouts is a MISTAKE like many people who are in the simulation business for sure are gonna think.

If you don´t like hear critics close this forum.

Man I think you have to take things easy. Relax guy, seriously!. You are twisting things in a non sense.

[Jimatay]

Just because somebody posts saying a concern or an opinion thats not in favour of BOP, it doesn't mean they are having a go at someone. Infact Anton should take on board these criticisms ready for the sequel.

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by Jimatay

Just because somebody posts saying a concern or an opinion thats not in favour of BOP, it doesn't mean they are having a go at someone. Infact Anton should take on board these criticisms ready for the sequel.

he should take on board these criticisms with a patch for the game....