Battle Of Britain: Storm Of War - Pilot's Lounge

[Moreno]

As Oleg's Room 2 has been opened exclusively for questions about the game, we shouldn't spam it with chit chat about everything and nothing. I thought it might be a good idea to open a new thread, where everything about ideas, speculations, etc. will be posted... Quintessentially all the stuff, that filled the numerous pages in Oleg's first room. Feel free to accept it or not!

[Feuerfalke]

The whole board consists of chit-chat, as there is little news on the one hand and a lot of people who use this board primarily to vent and whine. The facts are already summed up nicely in the new ORR-Thread, but you won't heal people from complaining, demanding and claiming to be able to do it better than Oleg.

It's a pitty, fully agreed, but trust me: You cannot change them.

Even the fact that they turn away other customers or potential interested people by their flaming and complaining doesn't interest them. It's just egocentric whaaa-whaaa-whaaa, I want, I need, I demand, where is, when, you promised. Like 4 year old children. Barely believable that some must be over 18 years old!

As much as I support your point, Moreno, there have been numerous threads like that, all with the same result.

It's not the game, not Oleg, no financial crisis or technical problems, which are so damaging for Storm of War and the future of our hobby, it is this community.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

The whole board consists of chit-chat, as there is little news on the one hand and a lot of people who use this board primarily to vent and whine. The facts are already summed up nicely in the new ORR-Thread, but you won't heal people from complaining, demanding and claiming to be able to do it better than Oleg.

It's a pitty, fully agreed, but trust me: You cannot change them.

Even the fact that they turn away other customers or potential interested people by their flaming and complaining doesn't interest them. It's just egocentric whaaa-whaaa-whaaa, I want, I need, I demand, where is, when, you promised. Like 4 year old children. Barely believable that some must be over 18 years old!

As much as I support your point, Moreno, there have been numerous threads like that, all with the same result.

It's not the game, not Oleg, no financial crisis or technical problems, which are so damaging for Storm of War and the future of our hobby, it is this community.

I agree with most of that, but I don't agree that the whiners do much damage, they are not that important. Annoying to read, yes, serious damage, no.

[nearmiss]

Oleg is gonna do what Oleg does.

He will persist regardless of all the ill-tempered remarks and negative jibe.

Since 2001, I've read all kinds of verbal tripe about the Il2 series and Oleg keeps going like the "energizer bunny". Even the dark side has no power. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxafIhYFOr0

[SlipBall]

I was wondering if with the weather model in SOW, that we most likely will encounter simular stall condition's as that decribed below. It would seem to me, that we will most likely see this in game. This will most certainly add another thing that we must keep our eyes on. But I think that it will be a good thing to have, if only for the realism of the fm.


Downwind stall:
For instance, a powered plane flying north with airspeed of 30 knots against a
30 knots headwind has zero ground speed.
If you turn 90 deg. left (west), the plane's airspeed still is 30 knots but is now
drifting 30 knots to the south resulting in 42 knots ground speed to the southwest.
If the plane keeps turning south, the drift due to the wind is still 30 knots but now
the ground speed becomes 30+30 = 60 knots, while the airspeed still is 30 knots.

The pilot on the ground will see the ground speed but not the airspeed, and since
the plane seems to move much faster flying downwind, the pilot may instinctively
slow down the plane below the stall speed.
This results in a pilot-induced stall due to the optical illusion of the plane's higher
ground speed when flying downwind

[Skoshi Tiger]

I thought that this was already modeled in IL2? Hence out problems getting aircraft with combat loads off stationary carriers.

One of my first hairy missions in IL2 involved taking a plane off from Miline Bay in a thunder storm with a wicked cross wind component. (Before I found out about locking the tail wheel I'll have to search for the mission!)

When we can setup a mission and specify the Windspeed and Velecity in BoB we will be able to test this.

Cheers!

Originally Posted by SlipBall

I was wondering if with the weather model in SOW, that we most likely will encounter simular stall condition's as that decribed below. It would seem to me, that we will most likely see this in game. This will most certainly add another thing that we must keep our eyes on. But I think that it will be a good thing to have, if only for the realism of the fm.


Downwind stall:
For instance, a powered plane flying north with airspeed of 30 knots against a
30 knots headwind has zero ground speed.
If you turn 90 deg. left (west), the plane's airspeed still is 30 knots but is now
drifting 30 knots to the south resulting in 42 knots ground speed to the southwest.
If the plane keeps turning south, the drift due to the wind is still 30 knots but now
the ground speed becomes 30+30 = 60 knots, while the airspeed still is 30 knots.

The pilot on the ground will see the ground speed but not the airspeed, and since
the plane seems to move much faster flying downwind, the pilot may instinctively
slow down the plane below the stall speed.
This results in a pilot-induced stall due to the optical illusion of the plane's higher
ground speed when flying downwind

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

The whole board consists of chit-chat, as there is little news on the one hand and a lot of people who use this board primarily to vent and whine. The facts are already summed up nicely in the new ORR-Thread, but you won't heal people from complaining, demanding and claiming to be able to do it better than Oleg.

It's a pitty, fully agreed, but trust me: You cannot change them.

Even the fact that they turn away other customers or potential interested people by their flaming and complaining doesn't interest them. It's just egocentric whaaa-whaaa-whaaa, I want, I need, I demand, where is, when, you promised. Like 4 year old children. Barely believable that some must be over 18 years old!

As much as I support your point, Moreno, there have been numerous threads like that, all with the same result.

It's not the game, not Oleg, no financial crisis or technical problems, which are so damaging for Storm of War and the future of our hobby, it is this community.

Interesting comments Feuerfalke, can you explain in detail how exactly us 4 yr olds are are whining and complaining? I for one am only asking questions regarding posts made directly from 1C, i will give you a few examples, It was posted here that an SOW website should be completed by December 2008, i have asked questions regarding the status of that. It was also posted here in early February that an update would be coming soon in the next week or so. Again i have asked questions if the update is going to happen.
I have not dreamed these questions up i have asked because these statements were posted here as news. Maybe you should direct your disgust at those who originally posted and now have no answers.
Keep up the good work though who knows Oleg might even give you a free copy or mention you in the credits.


xxxx

[Bobb4]

Speaking as a four-year-old, Rise of Flight (ROF) have show everyone exactly how to interact with the community.
Despite heavy condemnation of their online login policy, they did not hide away, they faced their critics and moved forward.
They are now in closed beta with a scheduled May/June release.
While there is no way to compare the scope of SOW to that of ROF one can compare the dismal public relations excercise of SOW publishers/developers compared to the new kids on the block.
One should always remember once a successful engine is released, other developers who once may have been inclinde to use the SOW engine may change their mind.
A working engine is far more appealing than a theoretical abstract of what can be achieved when, if and how SOW is eventually released.
I will be spending my money of ROF when it hits the market, simply because their is nothing else new in the flight sim genre.
Make no mistake I will also rush to buy SOW when it is released.
I am closely following three projects and will purchase them all, they are HOI3, ROF and SOW. Of all the three, the most disappointing is SOW, not in features, function and wow factor, just the fact that they treat the community like...

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

Speaking as a four-year-old, Rise of Flight (ROF) have show everyone exactly how to interact with the community.
Despite heavy condemnation of their online login policy, they did not hide away, they faced their critics and moved forward.

With all due respect, but ...

1.) Oleg already tried the road of communicating with the community. He has done it for years, but it didn't do him any good. He was flamed, belittled, accused of cultivating various bias, swamped with demands of small-minded "I want! Now! Gimme! Whine!" folks and ultimately people accused him of having no idea how to run his business. Why should he bother with this narrow-minded, greedy, moronic and impolite community? Why should he post updates when all he gets is a load of flak?

And secondly (IMO, of course):

2.) neoQB are not any better in regards to direct answers to direct questions. Their online-nonsense has caused people to ask "Why?" and all we got (repeatedly) was pussyfooting around the issue and evasive BS about "user value" or "RoF is a service". If they were so "communicative" how come they didn't have the bollocks to say "This is our anti-piracy approach" straight away?


And lastly let me ask all of you who demand a release date one question: Is your life so awful, so empty and are you such sorry creatures that you have to make a computer game the center of your life? The behavior of some here makes me think so ... *shakes head*

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by csThor

And lastly let me ask all of you who demand a release date one question: Is your life so awful, so empty and are you such sorry creatures that you have to make a computer game the center of your life? The behavior of some here makes me think so ... *shakes head*

Actually no, I fly IL2, regularly for an online squadron, play empire total war (a really fun game dispite it's quirky ai), I have an active social life, I am married with two lovely children and very happy.
Because I choose to be critical of something does not make me social retarded or obsessed.
I enjoy the odd verbal battle on this forum which in some small way may achieve a desired result.
And my defense of ROF was not in their policy just in their community involvement.