Please start VAC online.

[Catseye]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

Actually the two kinds of people are those who know they are crap pilots, like myself, and try to learn from every encounter and improve their flying. The other are those who think they are Manfred von Richthofen reincarnate and if they lose it's because the other guy was cheating.

To me it doesn't matter if a person is a noob or an ace. Just checking the kill stats window inflight and watching numbers going up for certain pilots, to ridiculous figures within one hours flying time is enough to put up the yellow caution flags for me. This is repeated over and over.

Nobody is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so. The statistics are important here. Heck, there isn't enough ammo on board for these numbers and not enough time to land and takeoff again to even find enough targets to initiate these numbers. Something is very amiss.

I've seen some pilots totaling up to 10 plus kills but they've been online for most of the day - not one hour and not necessarily repeatable.

I've been flying for many years and In my mind I'm convinced that there are good pilots out there that have some additional augmentation going on. The stats indicate that possibility.

I have no idea what these are because I do not spend any effort into looking at mods - not my style.

This is why IMHO that VAC needs to be turned on and active and the developers should have made it a part of their final delivery.

[JTDawg]

Originally Posted by David198502

what exactly do you mean with this hack???

i can for example confidently say, that im no cheater, but at ~ equal energy i outclimb spits as well vertical....one just have to fly clean...
and as a pure 109 pilot, i do not notice a difference between the different 109models in climb performance...at least im able to outclimb RAF in all versions.

Hey m8 you are not even close to what i'm talking about, an i know you are not cheating! what i'm saying is in my post , so at co alt an speed, give or take a few miles an hour. say flying side by side at 260 270 mph, then we go vertical at say 4 tfpm an say i can climb 2500 or so before stall your trying to tell me a 109 can go up anouther 3000 4000 feet ? not possible , correct . this is what is being seen time an time again, these certain 109s defy all gravity. = they are using the speed hack, they are not stalling instead after climbing the extra 3or 4000 feet after they continue there climb in a lazy left or right turn to even get even higher , with no signs of stalling , drop a wing to tighter turn (more speed loss should happen) correct me if i'm wrong in what i'm seeing , is this is really possible ? good pilots can always figure out , how to get a little more speed =agree to get 30 to 50 mph no way no how.
to get a few hundred extra feet even 1000 agree not 3 to 4000 , this has nothing to do with zoom an boom tactics

[notafinger!]

Originally Posted by Catseye

To me it doesn't matter if a person is a noob or an ace. Just checking the kill stats window inflight and watching numbers going up for certain pilots, to ridiculous figures within one hours flying time is enough to put up the yellow caution flags for me. This is repeated over and over.

No body is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so. The statistics are important here. Heck, there isn't enough ammo on board for these numbers and not enough time to land and takeoff again to even find enough targets to initiate these numbers. Something is very amiss.

I've seen some pilots totaling up to 10 plus kills but they've been online for most of the day - not one hour and not necessarily repeatable.

I've been flying for many years and In my mind I'm convinced that there are good pilots out there that have some additional augmentation going on. The stats indicate that possibility.

I have no idea what these are because I do not spend any effort into looking at mods - not my style.

This is why IMHO that VAC needs to be turned on and active and the developers should have made it a part of their final delivery.

I'm sorry to have to do this and please don't take personal offense. Read this article and maybe you will start to understand. This is a video game. The guy who plays it from a purely competitive mindset is approaching it completely different than the guy playing from simulation/history mindset. You play for fun/leisure, he plays for sport. The article will probably upset you but you should read it to the end.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

[David198502]

Originally Posted by JTDawg

Hey m8 you are not even close to what i'm talking about, an i know you are not cheating! what i'm saying is in my post , so at co alt an speed, give or take a few miles an hour. say flying side by side at 260 270 mph, then we go vertical at say 4 tfpm an say i can climb 2500 or so before stall your trying to tell me a 109 can go up anouther 3000 4000 feet ? not possible , correct . this is what is being seen time an time again, these certain 109s defy all gravity. = they are using the speed hack, they are not stalling instead after climbing the extra 3or 4000 feet after they continue there climb in a lazy left or right turn to even get even higher , with no signs of stalling , drop a wing to tighter turn (more speed loss should happen) correct me if i'm wrong in what i'm seeing , is this is really possible ? good pilots can always figure out , how to get a little more speed =agree to get 30 to 50 mph no way no how.
to get a few hundred extra feet even 1000 agree not 3 to 4000 , this has nothing to do with zoom an boom tactics

ok fair enough, 3000feet do sound much...probably too much in such a situation...and you say you see many with this behaviour???
PS: hey dawg, look at our forums, there ive posted a thread, which may be connected to the issue you are describing....

[David198502]

Originally Posted by Catseye

To me it doesn't matter if a person is a noob or an ace. Just checking the kill stats window inflight and watching numbers going up for certain pilots, to ridiculous figures within one hours flying time is enough to put up the yellow caution flags for me. This is repeated over and over.

Nobody is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so. The statistics are important here. Heck, there isn't enough ammo on board for these numbers and not enough time to land and takeoff again to even find enough targets to initiate these numbers. Something is very amiss.

I've seen some pilots totaling up to 10 plus kills but they've been online for most of the day - not one hour and not necessarily repeatable.

I've been flying for many years and In my mind I'm convinced that there are good pilots out there that have some additional augmentation going on. The stats indicate that possibility.

I have no idea what these are because I do not spend any effort into looking at mods - not my style.

This is why IMHO that VAC needs to be turned on and active and the developers should have made it a part of their final delivery.

sorry but that has nothing to do with cheating...
there are that good pilots, simple fact.

ive done 10kills in one sortie not only once, and i know that there are way better pilots out there...

and especially with the stats and how they work in clod, you can get really quick to very high kill numbers, as you only have to damage the plane slightly,....if the pilot then lands and the plane despawns, you will get credit for it....

[recoilfx]

I have >500hrs of CloD time, I have not seen one instance of cheating.....

It's also mostly the Red-only fliers that are making claims about cheating, which leads to me believe this is a FM issue. To the reds, the 109's are just too good at climbing?

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by Catseye

Nobody is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so.

Easy, go on ATAG and shoot down 14 bombers... I could easily shoot down that many on one trip especially if no escorts are around.

Alternatively vulch an airfield where people keep spawning.

Most of the better pilots dont do this because its not what they are there for, like myself. If I wanted to club seals I'd go for a holiday in Canada!

[JTDawg]

Originally Posted by David198502

ok fair enough, 3000feet do sound much...probably too much in such a situation...and you say you see many with this behaviour???
PS: hey dawg, look at our forums, there ive posted a thread, which may be connected to the issue you are describing....

Salute m8 could not find link could you pm or post link please . with just 1000 hours in clod, (as of yesterday ) and flying the game almost since the start, say for instance last night 2 were using it , but numbers low 25 or so on server. one was on deck low straifing airfield concrete 1 on his second pass i dove on him i got e yay, by the time we got to grass base he was a spec before calis gone lost him an the best part i was at 4000 when started dive he was on second pass on base (so pretty sure he had to lose a tad of steam) not only should i have been able to catch him but over shoot him as well , agree ?

[JTDawg]

Originally Posted by David198502

sorry but that has nothing to do with cheating...
there are that good pilots, simple fact.

ive done 10kills in one sortie not only once, and i know that there are way better pilots out there...

and especially with the stats and how they work in clod, you can get really quick to very high kill numbers, as you only have to damage the plane slightly,....if the pilot then lands and the plane despawns, you will get credit for it....

+1 XE-90 IN sow yesterday if i remember right heavy damage on 4or5 87s still shot down 3 +1 109 so on reg . server that would be 9 or 10 kills ,

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Catseye

Nobody is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so. The statistics are important here. Heck, there isn't enough ammo on board for these numbers and not enough time to land and takeoff again to even find enough targets to initiate these numbers. Something is very amiss.

I've seen some pilots totaling up to 10 plus kills but they've been online for most of the day - not one hour and not necessarily repeatable.

I've been flying for many years and In my mind I'm convinced that there are good pilots out there that have some additional augmentation going on. The stats indicate that possibility.

A few patches ago, when I was flying regularly and my kills were sharp, if I found some low-flying Red fighters I could easily get 5, maybe 6 kills in one sortie. Aiming was always my weakest point, and on a particularly "I'm shooting well today"-day I could get more than 6 in one sortie.

Bombers are a f***ing joke in this game: On ATAG there are those AI bomber flights that don't do evasives and fly nice, predictable routes. On some maps there used to be huge numbers of bombers, and the damage models are so bad in this game that I could shoot down a Blenheim or Wellington with only ~150 rounds of machine gun fire. No cannon required. Contrary to your claim, there is plenty of ammo in the 109, and even more in the 110.

I am/was an above-average pilot but still very far from the best. I'm not saying this to pump myself up; just to show how there are perfectly reasonable explanations. There are lots of guys out there who have put wayyy more time into the game than I have, and get proportionally better results than I do.

If you take into account AI bombers, 14 kills in one sortie doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility.

Honestly if I spent a week practising my aim and was very fuel-conservative I bet I could get 14 bomber kills in one 109 sortie, assuming the AI spawns cooperated.

There are a lot of really, really bad players flying this game, and it doesn't take much skill to sit around beating up on them.