UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[flyingblind]

Wouldn't a car travelling at the speed of light and the light from its headlamps simply arrive at their destination at the same time?

[bongodriver]

Yep...just like the ball and train.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by flyingblind

Wouldn't a car travelling at the speed of light and the light from its headlamps simply arrive at their destination at the same time?

in considering that the car would have to get up to speed, after leaving Point A, and then slow down at the other end, before arriving at Point B... it could be safe to say no.

[DayGlow]

[louisv]

"Do UFO's exist? - Yes but they aren't alien
Did something alien really crash at Roswell? - No
Did something strange really land at Rendelsham Forest? - Maybe but not alien.
Have aliens colonized this planet before? - No
Have they visited? - No
Are abductions real? - No
Did the US government reverse-engineer alien technology and incorporate it into experimental aircraft? - No

Or are aliens and extra-terrestrial life forms nothing more than our modern-day fairies and goblins? - No
Figments of wild imaginations and paranoia? - No"

No, just plain Americans pilots sworn to secrecy about even the fact that they are pilots, living in Nevada an otherwise normal life, flying what they probably call an ASC (for Alternative Space Craft).

So what is the U.S. Air Force Space Command for...special shuttle payloads...and a few rockets...come on. The Pentagon shelved the SR-71, and never officially replaced it and the shuttle program is over. So what do they care, they have ASC's.

I had two honest to God UFO sightings (well 3 actually, but I id'ed one, so now its a IFO..., but interesting too), two different types:

1- April '98, just looking at the sky at sunrise, one, then two ruddy colored (but not shining, apparently just reflecting sunrise colors), just literally materialized in the area of Cassiopea (from my vantage point of course, the most brilliant stars were still visible), imagine an American penny seen at 3 or 4 meters and about the same color. The objects starting moving together towards the east, the first object was moving smoothly and accelerating, the second was madly bobbing all around the first, and the bobbiness augmented as the smooth moving object was accelerating...then they just faded out like they had faded in, moving quite fast at the end. That lasted for about 15 seconds

2- The night the Canadien hockey team won against Pittsburg, at the 2010 Stanley Cup quarter finals, I was at a local café with a friend and everybody walked outside to celebrate...I mean a substantial fraction of the population of Montreal. Just as I walk outside I notice a strange orange flickering light in the sky, immobile...just like a little campfire in the sky. So I asked my friend what he thought it was and of course he answered "a helicopter...duh". Well this was no chopper, not a sound, no navigation light to speak of, and this strange flickering as if it was a giant orange star low on the horizon, but it was high is the sky. Suddenly two more campfires joined in - in a nice smooth two-ship formation - and I ask my friend again, and its so funny, he said there was probably a helicopter school having a party because of the Canadien's win... And all that time, not a sound...Then two more joined in!!! In a nice two-ship formation like the other pair. So now we had 5 little campfires in the sky silently flickering in a slight circle formation. They stayed there a good while, maybe 15 minute IIRC. I found 3 YouTube videos about it the next day, but of course all you saw was a few dots of light...not convincing at all, you would have needed a very good telephoto lens to get a convincing image, which of course I did'nt have..

But those guys thought they saw something weird too.

I reported both sightings to Mufon, they rejected the first one, because I reported it too long after the fact IIRC.

The third sighting is certainly military: at night, a low flying totally silent all black aircraft passed me at about 1500 feet. It was flying between two decks of low clouds, lit by the sodium glow of Montreal street lights, and there was a clearing on top of my house...I saw it almost from the side and below...No navigation lights (or cockpit lights for that matter), I didn't see any tail. Imagine an F117 but rounded like the B2. Pretty slick if you think about it, it would be stealthier than an F117 (newer B2 stealth technology) and you could use the F117 as decoys !!!

Now...it was totally silent. So that is a three tier stealth technology: Black so difficult to see for ground observers , Radar stealth of course and absolutely silent.

I may have revealed a few American state secrets here, but what the hell, the Chinese have everything already...

Louis

[Wolf_Rider]

"The geocentric model held sway into the early modern age, but was gradually replaced from the late 16th century onward by the heliocentric model of Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler. However, the transition between these two theories met much resistance, not only from the Catholic Church and its reluctance to accept a theory not placing God's creation at the center of the universe, but also from those who saw geocentrism as a fact that could not be subverted by a new, weakly justified theory."

- wiki

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[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

in considering that the car would have to get up to speed, after leaving Point A, and then slow down at the other end, before arriving at Point B... it could be safe to say no.

That's beside the point. The fact is that the light from the car and the light from the car's headlights would reach the destination at the same time. But to the driver the light from the cars headlights would also be traveling away from the car at the speed of light, for the same reason that the person throwing the ball in the carrige can see the person they are throwing the ball to. So the time of the people traveling is slowed down to make this posible. The ball doesn't travel faster than light. It travels at the same speed as it does when thrown when the carrige is stationary.

[Wolf_Rider]

lol... its not beside the point and something which had to be taken into account. If there wasn't any slowing down, things could get ugly trying to disembark, eh?

If you really meant, 'whilst travelling at", you could be quite right about the headlights, but the ball travelling "It travels at the same speed as it does when thrown when the carrige is stationary." still applies in motion at any speed, depending on the observer's viewport Observed on the carriage, the ball would possibly be as you suggest, but, observed from outside (as a passerby) you get something different.

Dayglow's cartoon (frames 5, 6 and 7) explains "observer" and "viewport" rather well

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

lol... its not beside the point and something which had to be taken into account. If there wasn't any slowing down, things could get ugly trying to disembark, eh?

If you really meant, 'whilst travelling at", you could be quite right about the headlights, but the ball travelling "It travels at the same speed as it does when thrown when the carrige is stationary." still applies in motion at any speed, depending on the observer's viewport Observed on the carriage, the ball would possibly be as you suggest, but, observed from outside (as a passerby) you get something different.

haha yes ok, very messy..

About the thrown ball, I didn't explain it well. Of course if a stationary observer could see inside a carridge going past at light speed. He would see everthing almost completely frozen in time with the ball hovering in mid air between the two peaple. So at no point would the actual ball be going FTL.

[Wolf_Rider]

That would depend on if "time" played into it as claimed, bearing in mind that time is another dimension and can't be fully grasped by a 3rd dimension entity. Does it necessarily mean that if "time" stops or slows that motion must slow or stop as well?
Like this... you're at your favourite pastime and "wow, didn't time fly, I never realised it was so late" and another occasion such as a yukky job, "where time just seemed to drag".

Some witnesses have noted that they have seen UFO's make sharp 90degree turns at seemingly high speed - how would this be possible?