Long live il2 series

Originally Posted by adonys

obviously, any reasoning, no matter how logic, must bow before the reality's cruel truth..

PS: i think you've missed the third reason which could make customers happy enough

I agree that no more words will make anyone here happy anymore... Majority just want to see fixes of bugs reported and classified as urgent by THEM. Next one is - as soon as possible.
I think that last rebellion here was based on perception that nobody in MG really care what they say or want or even bother to communicate with them. This is absolutely understandable. At least for me. Because I understand also, that the most important subject here are customers, it is the central point around everything else should move. At least in my business model.

OK, let's say - to be positive - that plan currently (as this makes only sense to me) - the real plan, is to make Battle of Moscow as soon as possible and focus only on that - in this Addon the most of critical bugs will be repaired. But nobody will care anymore about BOB in this phase... Or, if they are not dependent on the sales revenues, as they can have some sponsor in golden mine owner from Siberia, they will fiddle and mess around with BOB only for the rest of this year...

[Sammi79]

Opitz, if you really had left forever and didn't care you wouldn't be posting in this forum. I believe it was Tree_UK who made the petition not Ali_fish. It is just a few anyway, 80 or so people signed it which in sales terms is a very very small number. In terms of the members on this forum it is a small number. My opinion on wether or not the petition was valid is irrelevant, the moderators make the rules here and what they say goes.

Adonys your post is well reasoned, however you generalise with customers. I am not profoundly unhappy with the game, and I also feel that the communication has been adequate under the circumstances. I have stated this before but I guess once more won't do any harm. The major bugs and problems have been acknowledged by the developers and it has been communicated that these are being worked on as a priority. Until the patch comes out I don't feel another word needs to be said. This is purely my opinion though I can understand that yours is different.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Opitz

OK, let's say - to be positive - that plan currently (as this makes only sense to me) - the real plan, is to make Battle of Moscow as soon as possible and focus only on that - in this Addon the most of critical bugs will be repaired. But nobody will care anymore about BOB in this phase... Or, if they are not dependent on the sales revenues, as they can have some sponsor in golden mine owner from Siberia, they will fiddle and mess around with BOB only for the rest of this year...

You fly other IL-2 titles?

If so, your statement above are really poor. All IL-2 titles are INTEGRATED. MG will not "abandon" CloD for Battle of Moscow...

You really need to be quiet and stop the nonsense. Battle of Moscow will use the same engine as CloD. "Focus" in Battle of Moscow is "focus" in CloD.

I believe this is obvious. But as far I can see, isn't to some...

Optiz you are lumping me in with somthing i dont actually belong to.. iam actually very positive around here and that petition was not created by me. i have the right to defend my actions too of which i have apologised for.

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

You fly other IL-2 titles?

If so, your statement above are really poor. All IL-2 titles are INTEGRATED. MG will not "abandon" CloD for Battle of Moscow...

You really need to be quiet and stop the nonsense. Battle of Moscow will use the same engine as CloD. "Focus" in Battle of Moscow is "focus" in CloD.

I believe this is obvious. But as far I can see, isn't to some...

totaly true, if the Moskau AdOn will be mergable with CoD the main gameengine/GUI issues might be fixed.
Lets hope for the smaller, but still annyoing bugs for the 'typical' BoB planes...........

I just can remember that Oleg said years ago that making Pacific Fighters mergable was not easy - and he wished he had not to do so. Lukily he did


I also belive, the main plan is to work on the EasternFront adon, fix the engine and make it mergable. But actually we dont know.

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

totaly true, if the Moskau AdOn will be mergable with CoD the main gameengine/GUI issues might be fixed.
Lets hope for the smaller, but still annyoing bugs for the 'typical' BoB planes...........

I just can remember that Oleg said years ago that making Pacific Fighters mergable was not easy - and he wished he had not to do so. Lukily he did


I also belive, the main plan is to work on the EasternFront adon, fix the engine and make it mergable. But actually we dont know.

interesting thoughts and very important. Where does this mythical SDK play its part in this i wonder. i cant possibly imagine these differing game engines will be so different as to not warrant a merger. Its my belief that COD suffers of the back of the fact that someone else was incharge at one point. I think BFM should not have quite as much teething dffculty. if it doesnt agree with a cod install and requires a tandem install then there are big problems for us bob fans. Could it be the series really kicks of with BFM ??? i dont think so i think COD will rear its ugly head once again within BFM as blossoming butterfly free from its initial cocoon. evolvment is part of why we suffer with cod presently and also why we can see a bright future. This was proven before.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Opitz

Because the real potential is missed by miles... And no miracle happened during US release. And it is quite hard to swallow for almost everyone here...

There you have it.
Whiners demanding miracles flat out.
Wrong again. This game is fulfilling its potential but you don`t seem to appreciate it and trying to diminish it. You will not succeed.

[Busa]

I have faith in them, you should too.

LoL






sparkle pony

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by adonys

The current customers were profoundly unstatisfied with the release state, generally not satisfied with the current state of the game nor with the pace of developer's fixing the sale-advertised/minimum game necessary broken systems nor with the lack of constant communication regarding the fixing progress.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you don`t represent the customers. No one has given you a voice for this. Please do not post false information. We have many satisfied customers too.

The developers can't change the current game's state over night, nor increase the fixing pace..

Glad you finally came to understand that 4 months after release.

So, what simple logic tells you is the solution to make current customers happy enough in order to secure future sales (and eventually fullfil the potential of the game in order to widen the potential-customers area)?!!

Actually, many posts including the most recent ones by American customers show that many people do not transform into screaming brats overnight. Some poeple actually remember what 1C did with IL2 and they also give them some more time. Further development of this particular title can never be a part of your negative only contribution here.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Opitz

If it would be just a "few", there would never be anything like Ali Fish petition and flames like never before... And look, I am in my opinion still same. I am not changing "sides". Many like me left for ever and don't care anymore. The last flame wars here are just between fanboys and "former" fanboys... I was always so called "whiner" here...

Ok then now that he admits to be a whiner can we please issue a ban for this man?

There are just a few moaners on every flightsim CoD section trying to do the same : give CloD bad publicity by creating spamfests of whiner threads that have constuctive value of 0.

Luckily the satisfied and normal people recently found than what is enough is enough so we can get a more objective view on what is happening with the sim.