SOW: two versions.

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by Rama

This is wrong.
Just read various online squadrons web sites, and you'll see how much onliners have stopped to play and the multiple complains about the difficulties to play online without creating a gazillion of different installs (with different mod choices).

FB/PF modding is growing in popularity on the general web sites, but certainly not in the online crowd.

Wrong.The most popular server at hyperlobby is a modded 409 server.Of the two most popular online wars,one is modded,the other one is going to be modded.
I know a lot of squads.The vast majority now use the mods in one form or another.

Regarding SoW,unless Oleg has changed his mind,the ONLY way you will be able to fly planes like the Do17 is if a modder makes it flyable.

[ElAurens]

On Hyperlobby I see a pretty even split between modded and unmodded DF servers and coops. Spits vs. 109s and Zekes vs. Wildcats are unmodded and still immensely popular, as is Warclouds, which is unmodded I do believe.

Seems to me there are servers for every taste. I fly modded and unmodded and enjoy both equally. The switcher utility included in the unified installer makes either version a simple mouse click away.

Anyone having problems finding a game that suits their taste isn't looking very hard for one.

[Rama]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Of the two most popular online wars,one is modded,the other one is going to be modded.

The modded one isn't a good example... since the parser problems give it a small attendence.
For the other one... well... as you said... it is going to be modded one day... maybe...

I know a lot of squads.The vast majority now use the mods in one form or another.

I agree (I also know a lot of squads)... but the vast majority has lost a lot of active pilots, and among the remaining pilots, a lot do whine on their squad forums about how difficult it is to have an install for each server/online war/coop/etc...

If you really know a lot of squad... you also know I'm not wrong... you just don't want to admit it...

[Rama]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Regarding SoW,unless Oleg has changed his mind,the ONLY way you will be able to fly planes like the Do17 is if a modder makes it flyable.

As long there is a centralized authority to control, accept and authorize the mod (as it was in IL2 before the hack), I don't see any problem...

[Feathered_IV]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

On Hyperlobby I see a pretty even split between modded and unmodded DF servers and coops. Spits vs. 109s and Zekes vs. Wildcats are unmodded and still immensely popular....

They just opened a new full-switch, mods friendly server called Warbirdsof prey. It supports 6Dof and AI as flyables. The best thing is they are using a mix of Bomber Night maps. Worth getting in quick, before they swap to the standard late war generics.

[JG52Uther]

Warclouds is apparently now 409b1.
I assume they are not using the 409b1 dedicated server,because thats a mod,and apparently they are anti mod!

[crazyivan1970]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

I thought that Oleg has already said that there would be, or could be, an online component with officially approved aircraft/maps/3rd party stuff, and a second component that would allow open modifications, and that the two types would not cross over.

That is correct, he did say it and not once. Big question is, whether it happens in initial release or not.

[ElAurens]

TY Ivan.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Rama

I agree (I also know a lot of squads)... but the vast majority has lost a lot of active pilots, and among the remaining pilots, a lot do whine on their squad forums about how difficult it is to have an install for each server/online war/coop/etc...

If you really know a lot of squad... you also know I'm not wrong... you just don't want to admit it...

You don't need so many installs, you just need a single install and a version swithcer, as long as you know how to disable certain mods from loading, it's not that hard. You just rename the mod folders according to instructions, you can even make batch files that do this automatically and name them "online war 1", "online war 2" and so on.

[Rama]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

it's not that hard

I don't know if it's easy or hard... and that's not the point...
The point is that it is anoying and boring enough (and not only "switching", but also retrieving and managing the gazillion mod files) for a lot of former active online pilots so they stopped playing online.

That's a factual observation after reading many squad forums.