Spit IIa is now so much more inferior to the 109

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

It wasnt for your post but someone like JG52Krupi

OK no problem , but Krupi was clearly kidding, IMO.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Sure i will be happy with E-4/N too even it was very rare plane in BOB and it doesnt change too much in low level speed for 109 but mostly at higher alts if you know

Based on the specifications of 500 km/h for the Bf 109E series with DB 601Aa (with 1045 PS), the resulting extra power of the DB 601N (1175 PS, and much more at altitude) in the E-4/N should be good for about 515 km/h at SL.

At the critical altitude of 4800 m the E-4/N has 1175 PS compared to 960 PS of the DB 601Aa, so the E-4/N is probably good for about 600 km/h at altitude.

[FS~Phat]

Going a bit off topic guys... this was about spit vs 109 turning and speed not every other planes Octane and speed rating!

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I am after realistic FM's.

I have no agenda here I am unbiased.

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

So basically the red guys want there UFO spit back LMAO!

Sure clearly you are not biased

No metter it is typical here so i dont care

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Sure clearly you are not biased

No metter it is typical here so i dont care

Yes because if it was the 109 behaving like the old spit 2 I would have replaced red with blue...

Anyway lets get back on topic.

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by ReconNZ

Why play red at all?

I was just in a dog fight online in a IIa getting boomed and zoomed by a 109 - he had 30 - 40% more lift and speed on me on every sweep past and he just flew away from me everytime. Seriously, there is no way that is historically correct. I am an ok pilot, I know about energy etc, but the 109 is such a better plane in this sim now, there is no point trying to fly in a dogfight 1 on 1 if you're in a spit.

Can you give us the relative energy states at the start of the fight?
What was your altitude? What was the 109's one?
The speed of both?

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Based on the specifications of 500 km/h for the Bf 109E series with DB 601Aa (with 1045 PS), the resulting extra power of the DB 601N (1175 PS, and much more at altitude) in the E-4/N should be good for about 515 km/h at SL.

Not confirmed. Only think confirmed for me is that serial 109 E at 1.3 Ata ( 5 minutes emergency power) could do 467-475 km/h at sea level.

And power ratings between 601Aa and 601N ( 109 E) are not too much different at low alts but if someone could read lol:

Db601 Aa



Db601N ( 109 E)

[Insuber]

I warmly encourage red pilots to fly blue and blue fly red, at least for a couple of hours online. This will show you that there is no "magical" plane in this game, and tactics and skills make still largely the difference, in both fields.
Except for engine life at 3000 sustained rpm and for the limited ammo of the 8 brownings, I have found the Spit IIa being an awesome plane, and one can have a lot of success on her.

I can't speak for the other Spit types as I didn't fly them enough in the new patch.


Cheers!

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Not confirmed. Only think confirmed for me is that serial 109 E at 1.3 Ata ( 5 minutes emergency power) could do 467-475 km/h at sea level.

*sigh*

That's your opinion, Kwiatek.

And this is Messerschmitt AG.'s opinion on the matter.

http://kurfurst.org/Performance_test...w_109V15a.html



http://kurfurst.org/Performance_test...chreibung.html


G e s c w i n d i g k e i t s - L e i s t u n g e n:


Höchtsgeschwindigeit in 0 m 500 km/h
in 1000 m 510 "
in 2000 m 530 "
in 3000 m 540 "
in 4000 m 555 "
in 5000 m 570 "
in 6000 m 565 km/h
in 7000 m 560 km/h




Bei den Geschwindigkeiten ist eine Toleranz von +/- 5 % vor-
zusehen. Die Leistungen sind auf Cina-Temperatur gerechnet.



S t e i g z e i t e n.


Steigzeit auf 1000 m 1,0 Minuten
auf 2000 m 1,9 "
auf 3000 m 3,0 "
auf 4000 m 3,8 "
auf 5000 m 4,9 "
auf 6000 m 6,3 "



Bei den Steigzeiten ist eine Toleranz von +/- 8 % vorzusehen.
Leistungen sind auf Cine-Temperatur gerechnet.

[Kwiatek]

Yea you start again with prototypes and folder data not for serial planes. Serial 109 E test proff different results - 467- 475 km/h at 1.3 Ata (990 PS). Nothing new to me and no sense to disccussion these again.

BTW

109 T-2 with Db601N in May 1941 reached at 1.35 Ata 2600 RPM - 1175 PS ( maximum emergency power) 490 km/h at the deck.

So i think for 109 E-3/4 at 1.4-1.45 Ata ( 1- minut emergency power) it is possible 490-500 km/h at the deck for a while ( less then 1 minut) nothing more.

For comparsion serial Spitfire MK1 at +12 lbs could do 505 km/h at the deck but for longer time ( 5- minutes).