Hypothetical progression line predictions (2)

[hiro]

+1 on the older campaigns first, get people used to the older planes so when the whole of ww2 and korea is done, there will be some ppl in the older war scenario theater servers.

[dflion]

I am currently having 'IL-2 withdrawal symptoms' - my main computer has gone u/s. To wile away the time while I get it fixed, I have produced a predictions (2) list.
See if you can spot the subtle changes from my first list. Again this post is purely hypothetical, though I am starting to really like it!

The Mediterranean maps should be modified to take in lower Greece and lower Italy (if possible?)

The Russian market is 1C's main market, so you could see instead of a 'Road to Stalingrad' a 'Road to Leningrad' campaign or a "Crimean' campaign.

A map from Norfolk to the Ruhr would be good, to fly the Lancaster - perhaps a special sequel 'Dam Buster' add on?

(2) Prediction of the IL-2 COD progression line from version to version, dotted with sequels

1. Initial Game ‘IL-2 Cliffs of Dover’
Map: 500 x 500klm summer map, covering Southern England and London, Belgium border, coastal Northern France from Calais to southern Normandy
Historic scenario: The ‘Battle of Britain’ and the German night time ‘Blitz’ offensive.
Version: 1.5
Flyable aircraft:
England: Hurricane Mk1, Spitfire Mk.1, 1a, 1b, 2b, Blenheim Mk.V, Tigermoth
Germany: Bf109E-1, E-3, E-4, Bf110C-4, C-7, Ju87B-2, Ju88A-1, He111P-2, H-2
Italy: G.50, Br.20M
Non-flyable aircraft:
England: Anson, Beaufighter, Defiant, Gladiator, Sunderland, Walrus, Wellington
Germany: Bf108, Do17, Do215, He115, Fw200
Italy: CR.42

2. Merged Sequel 1. ‘The Battle for Moscow’
Map: 500 x 500klm winter map, from Smolensk to Moscow
Historic scenario: The defence of Moscow and the subsequent Russian offensive
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft:
Russia: I-16, Lagg-1, Mig-3, Yak-1, IL-2, SB-2
Germany: Bf109E-7, Bf109F-2, F-4, Ju88A-4
New Non-flyable aircraft:
Russia: Su-2, IL-4
Germany: Ju-52, Hs126A-1

3. Merged Sequel 2. ‘The Mediterranean Theatre campaign 1’
Map: 2 x 500 x 500klm summer maps covering the Northern African coastline from El Alamein to Tunis, including the islands of Crete, Malta and Sicily.
Historic scenario: The British Commonwealth Divisions attack on Italian occupied North Africa.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft:
England: Gladiator, Hurricane II, IIC, P40C Tomahawk IIB, Boston III
Italy: CR.42, MC200, MC202, SM.79
Germany: He111H-6
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Douglas C-53 (DC3), Catalina 1
Italy: Cant 506B, Cant Z.1007

4. Merged Sequel 3. ‘The Western Front’
Map: 500 x 500klm COD winter map, covering Southern England and London, Belgium border, coastal Northern France from Calais to southern Normandy
Historic scenario: The British offensive against German occupied Western Europe.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft
England: Spitfire V, Vb, Typhoon 1B (Original Canopy), Mosquito Mk.1
Germany: Fw190A-2, A-3, Bf109G-2, Bf110F-4 (Night-fighter), Ju88C-6 (Night-fighter)
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Lancaster B. Mk.1, Hudson Mk.1, Lysander Mk.1
Germany: Do217E-3

5. Merged Sequel 4. ‘The Road to Stalingrad’
Map: 500 x 500klm winter/spring map, from Stalingrad to Kharkov
Historic scenario: The defence of Stalingrad and the subsequent Russian offensive to Kharkov
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft:
Russia: Lagg-3, La-5, Yak-9, Mig-3SUD, IL-2M3, Pe-2
Germany: Fw190A4, A5, Ju87D-1
New Non-flyable aircraft:
Russia: Pe-8, Li-2
Germany: Fw189A-2

6. Merged Sequel 5. ‘The Mediterranean Theatre campaign 2’
Map: 2 x 500 x 500klm summer maps covering the Northern African coastline from El Alamein to Tunis, including the islands of Crete, Malta and Sicily.
Historic scenario: Rommel’s Afrika Korps counter offensive against the British Commonwealth Divisions.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft:
England: Spitfire Vc, P40D Kittyhawk 1, Swordfish Mk.1, Beaufighter Mk.1
Germany: Bf109E-4/Trop, Bf109E-7/Trop, Bf109F-2/Trop, Bf109F-4/Trop, Bf110E-1, Bf110D-3, Ju87B-2/Trop, Ju87D-1/Trop, Ju88A-4/Trop
Italy: Re.2000, Cant Z.1007
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Beaufort Mk.1,
Germany: Fi 156C-3/Trop, Ar196A-3
Italy: P108B

7. Merged Sequel 6. ‘The lead-up to and including D-Day’
Map: 500 x 500klm COD modified summer map, covering Southern England and London, Belgium border, coastal Northern France from Calais to southern Normandy
Historic scenario: The Allied offensive against German occupied Western Europe leading up to and including D-Day.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft
England: Spitfire III, Spitfire IX, Typhoon 1B (Bubble Canopy), Tempest V, Mustang Mk.1, Mosquito Mk.IV, Lancaster B. Mk.1
United States: P-51B, P-51C, P-47C, P-38F, B-17F
Germany: Fw190A-8, A-9, Fw190F-8, Bf109G-6, Bf110G-2 (Night-fighter), Ju88C-6 (Night Fighter), Do217E-3
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Halifax Mk.III
United States: B-17G, B-24D, B-24J, B-26C
Germany: Do217K-1, Do217K-2, Ju188E-1

DFLion

[FG28_Kodiak]

Maybe there will a Project Galba (Korean war). This was Luthiers Project before he joined the BoB Team.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by robtek

I'd really prefer a slow evolution, so you have more fighting in lesser armed planes.

Otherwise we have too soon the played to boredom "Bf109Gx vs. Spit mk >V vs FW190 vs P51 vs La5" again

+1


Dragging it out would be awesome! It was so dull in IL2:1946 when all the servers just ran late war.

[JG5_emil]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Frankly the 3rd sequel is the one I wld be expecting the most.

How exciting would it be to fly RamRod missions with the early unreliable Typhoons or dangerous early morning CAP low over the foggy channel to counter FWs raiders.

This period has not been covered since Microprose 1943 EAW and is still one of the most interesting period in aerial warfare.

We have alrdy plenty of Desert dust on our flying boots

Tally-Ho !

I like it...no...I love it!!

[Chivas]

It still looks as if the developer is still following the general timeline of the war. With the Battle of Britain, and Battle for Moscow, relatively early battles of the War. Especially since I believe it was a third party that initially started the Battle for Moscow work sometime ago. We probably won't see a Korean Map for sometime as Luthier is now fully involved with the main development, but that doesn't mean that there won't be members of his old team still working on it.

The next developer sequels will probably be Mediterranean Maps along with possibly a Stalingrad Map, etc with the addition of third party maps of smaller battle fields like Kursk, etc etc. Third party maps will prabably be released when there are aircraft available for that particular battle.

Then into the Pacific Maps, and finally a large Western Front Bombing Campaign Map.

[Sven]

I like that progression line.

but.

4. Merged Sequel 3. ‘The Western Front’
Map: 500 x 500klm COD winter map, covering Southern England and London, Belgium border, coastal Northern France from Calais to southern Normandy
Historic scenario: The British offensive against German occupied Western Europe.
Version: 1.0
New Flyable aircraft
England: Spitfire V, Vb, Typhoon 1B (Original Canopy), Mosquito Mk.1
Germany: Fw190A-2, A-3, Bf109G-2, Bf110F-4 (Night-fighter), Ju88C-6 (Night-fighter)
New Non-flyable aircraft
England: Lancaster B. Mk.1, Hudson Mk.1, Lysander Mk.1
Germany: Do217E-3

I would leave that theatre out, and just include it in the D-day one. It's a very 'Red' theater apart from the occasional attacks and patrols/reconnaissance from the German Luftwaffe. The Luftwaffe only had a handful of fighters on that front at the time if I'm not mistaken. And no ground warfare, which I think this engine is very good at.

[Blackdog_kt]

Would be a good map for bomber ops throughout the war though, if we had the flyables.

[dflion]

Originally Posted by Sven

I like that progression line.

but.



I would leave that theatre out, and just include it in the D-day one. It's a very 'Red' theater apart from the occasional attacks and patrols/reconnaissance from the German Luftwaffe. The Luftwaffe only had a handful of fighters on that front at the time if I'm not mistaken. And no ground warfare, which I think this engine is very good at.

On the Western Front this was a very important time for the RAF. They started to take the fight up to the Luftwaffe in France. Both airforces had new aircraft. The Luftwaffe had the Bf109F-2, Bf109F-4 and then Fw190A-2, Fw190A-3 and the RAF had the Spitfire V. Vb and Spitfire VIII and finally the IX with the Typhoon 1B introduced. The fight was on, in a big way and if you read the actual combat reports from the books written about the period e.g. the 'Big Show' there was plenty of exciting action for both sides.

I think we need this 'lead-up to D-Day' in a Western front campaign.

Apologies for replying late to your post, I am currently getting my main computer rebuilt and am now operating occasionally from my laptop.

DFLion

[klem]

Originally Posted by dflion

On the Western Front this was a very important time for the RAF. They started to take the fight up to the Luftwaffe in France. Both airforces had new aircraft. The Luftwaffe had the Bf109F-2, Bf109F-4 and then Fw190A-2, Fw190A-3 and the RAF had the Spitfire V. Vb and Spitfire VIII and finally the IX with the Typhoon 1B introduced. The fight was on, in a big way and if you read the actual combat reports from the books written about the period e.g. the 'Big Show' there was plenty of exciting action for both sides.

I think we need this 'lead-up to D-Day' in a Western front campaign.

Apologies for replying late to your post, I am currently getting my main computer rebuilt and am now operating occasionally from my laptop.

DFLion

+1

All it requires is the release of new aircraft (later marks of Spits and 109s + 190 and the British bombers. Happy to buy those as an add-on package. We already have the map.