I Refuse To Fly WW2 CoD German Aircraft. Why?

[carguy_]

Germans still in denial about WWII I see. 20 milion people killed is not enough for you?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

The war was Churchills decision alone!!?

Not entirely untrue.
Hitler wanted a cease-fire treaty with England from the beginning, the basic idea was to work in Africa together(or at least not bother each other). Had WC taken it, you'd still have your colonies today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn8vp6GsqkA#t=00m43s

As of Summer '43 Hitler tried again to achieve the same with the Western Allies, of course they would only accept an unconditional capitulation, which he had to reject.
(source: rudel, stuka pilot)

[5./JG27.Farber]

That Stuka pilot interview video collection is awesome. Very long and detailed and talks about allot of aspects from the common soldiers point of view.


As for the red aircraft, I just find the instruments and the way the pitch works quite backwards. Also there is a plus side to flying blue, you get to fight all the other countries and in allot more theatres. Those that love the RAF aircraft are not going to be so happy with the Eastern front. Although the units which fly the VVS stuff will love it. We that fly blue get to enjoy allot more theatres!


Feathered IV:

The images in my units signitures are awards from fighting in our camapigns against other squadrons. We try to emmulate the Luftwaffe as accuratley as possible. We combine flight simming with history. None of the images our personal beliefs. Our signitures are our virtual uniforms and the medals and awards are placed upon them in the same position as if it were a real tunic with the correct (although there wasnt much of rule in the Luftwaffe) order of precedence. By looking at one of members fully dressed signitures you can see what he has taken part in and estimate how many victories he has to his virtual career. Victories are only added when we fight against other squadrons in organised events and furthermore can only be added if you survive and get back to friendly lines. Its like a resume or CV. It is not an alignment to any political group, we are a apolitical unit. It is simply for historical accuracy reenactment purposes. We also write newspapers about our actions, I will include one for you below, just be careful as we try to emmulate a certain "Wochanschau" style in the content. Please also note the "One Sided Publication" at the bottom right. Hopefully now you can understand a little better my position.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by swiss

Not entirely untrue.
Hitler wanted a cease-fire treaty with England from the beginning, the basic idea was to work in Africa together(or at least not bother each other). Had WC taken it, you'd still have your colonies today.

As of Summer '43 Hitler tried again to achieve the same with the Western Allies, of course they would only accept an unconditional capitulation, which he had to reject.
(source: rudel, stuka pilot)

arthursmedley's post was a question, not a statement. Notice the '?'.

It is naive to believe Hitler would honour any agreements, as history shows.

[MD_Titus]

a cease fire was never on the cards after the polish and french invasions, to say that churchill or england are responsible for the war is hilarious. treaties were drawn up to restrict german expansion, and they were held. the fact that the poles were so royally shafted after the war is far more worth discussing than the apologist fallacy of "england and france started the war".

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

It is naive to believe Hitler would honour any agreements, as history shows.

Right, Stalin was much better. Unlike the Allies he didn't return his countries after the war. There was no way to avoid the war in the East, Stalin would have tried to advance westwards sooner or later anyway.

arthursmedley's post was a question, not a statement. Notice the '?'.

Actually it was "!!?" a combo which doesnt exist["?!" does], I'll have to take it as "!!".

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by swiss

Not entirely untrue.
Hitler wanted a cease-fire treaty with England from the beginning, the basic idea was to work in Africa together(or at least not bother each other). Had WC taken it, you'd still have your colonies today.

As of Summer '43 Hitler tried again to achieve the same with the Western Allies, of course they would only accept an unconditional capitulation, which he had to reject.
(source: rudel, stuka pilot)

I don't understand. Where do some of you guys get this fantasy history from exactly? Please show me some evidence of any offers of a "cease-fire treaty" from "the beginning" or from the summer of '43. I'm not sure what conclusion I'm supposed to be drawing from this youtube clip either. Was the British and German war effort being directed by an army captain and a captured Stuka pilot in the western desert?

@Avro; another class thread! How do you do it?

[ElAurens]

I fly 'em all, but have my favorites, which usually are not German. I actually prefer to fly Japanese aircraft, go figure.

From what I see from my side of the Atlantic, this thread is yet more proof that the European "Union" is a doomed enterprise.

Now if only the sim would work properly so I could enjoy flying the G.50.

Cheers Gents, and don't beat each other up so much, it's just a game.

[adonys]

none of you ever lived in the east.. the real east, which is at Russia's border, or beyond it.

if you really want to know, ask the finns, ask the poles, ask the letons, and the romanians.. there's no much left from the ask the ukraineans.. and then maybe you'll start to comprehend that the red monster was 10 time worse then the black one.

all the Soviet Unions civil population greeted the german army as a liberation army. try to stop and think about what that means.. and that was only after 20 years of "communism".. then try to imagine what another 50 years like those would do to the rest..

you think you were screwed?!! well, we fought with Germany from the beginning, as no western countries were willing to guarantee our borders or help us if something happened. we fought until Stalingrad, and back. then, in the summer '44 stupid us (but mostly some politicians) tried to salvage the little which could be salvaged, country's territorial integrity, and switched the sides against our hearts, fighting for Allies from then on until the end of the war.

Romania's allied war effort was the third or fourth, after Russia and US and maybe Great Britain, and we shortened the war with at least 6 months.

and what that brought us?

russian army entered the allied Romania as in an occupied country: a tidalwave of killing and destruction and rape. after the war, we were not acknowledged as a co-belligerent party (in our face being accepted as co-belligerents France and Italy and such, even if they did nothing compared with our allied war effort), large chunks of our country were given to Russia and Bulgaria, we were completely abandoned into the hands of russians, the great famine from '46 (as russians took all our food) in which tens of thousands died, our whole industry was dismantled by same russians and taken away, followed by another 45 years in which we had to sell everything almost for free in order to pay them the "war compensations" we "owed" them.

45 years of living in a labor camp! you have not the slightest idea how were those 45 years..

and that's the same for all the other eastern countries. ask poles, which started the war actually, who do they hate more, the reds or the blacks, and you might get a surprise answer from them..

as for flying, this is a game. I do prefer to fly Axis airplanes, as we flew them during the war, but I have no problem flying even russian planes as an Ally, when there's a need for balance. and I have friends from all around the world, which whom I fly with, or against.

a game is just a game, and each and everyone of you should never ever forget that!

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

England (including all other countries, Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland, as was appropriate at this time to refer to them simply as England) and France declared war on Germany.

Dispite numerous peace offers of Germany (or the 3rd Reich if you prefer), we the English (British) declined, even when Hitler offered to step down... These peace offering and nogotiations even encluded Rudolf Hess (2nd deputy of Germany) flying to Scotland to reason with the Duke of Hamilton.... In short NSDAP Germany went to great lengths not to war with England. Through the situation England which found the situation of events distasteful - waged war on Germany upon the will of only one man - Winston Spencer Churchill - Lord of the Admiralty.

That is very true. It was the utter aggression and expansive politics of the English politicians AND people that was behind the outbreak of the Second world war. It was Mr. Churchill who plotted the evil plan to take over after Chamberlain and get some small shitty countries to call themselves Great Britain. It was the poor small peaceful Germany with calm and loving chap in the lead who wanted to be left alone. Instead, they were stabbed in their loving hearts by WLS Churchill. Such a sad story that was.