Crusaders AD 2012

[MadBlaster]

agree swiss, except the part about voting to fight a war with no return. sometimes you just have to do what you think is the right thing and take a chance. it's not about economics or treasure. you see a dictator gassing his own people, shooting people in the head with a smile on his face and you want to make the bad man go away for those people. so you take a risk. it shouldn't have taken two wars to make the bad man go away. so the dice roll, not a yahtzee. but the world knows again we don't like that crap. but we can't fix it all, unfortuneatley. because we are now broke and china has us by the balls. but I would still vote that way again today, even though gas prices have gone way up and my lifestyle fallen since 10 years ago.

[AndyJWest]

you see a dictator gassing his own people

Yup, with chemical weapons made from materials supplied by the US (the Ronald Reagan administration had taken Iraq off the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism, enabling this), along with Singapore, the Netherlands, Egypt, India and West Germany. And of course, the US is still happily backing dictators where it finds it convenient...

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Yup, with chemical weapons made from materials supplied by the US (the Ronald Reagan administration had taken Iraq off the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism, enabling this), along with Singapore, the Netherlands, Egypt, India and West Germany. And of course, the US is still happily backing dictators where it finds it convenient...

I guess there's a bit of truth what Johnny Depp said about US being a dumb puppy. But then again, Saddam would have probably bought the sheet from somewhere else I suppose.

As for dictator, I think some people here voted one in! So I have to agree with that too.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Well if you like that - get this one,

Britian sold Saddam compaonants to build a super gun so he could he could shoot at Jordan(?). The "pipes" were huge! During the Gulf War the SAS blew it up...

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by swiss

Actually - you did.
The chengs beat you strategically everywhere, they even will dominate the pacific in the near future.
Have you ever wondered why they behave like they do?

Party A(USA) spends billions on Army they dont need and on a war which offers nothing in return.

Party B(China) spends almost nothing on its army but billions on infrastructure projects all over the planet(moon scouting too, actually).

What will the the situation be in 20 or 30 years to come?
The chengs will have earned trillions on their projects and almost singlehandedly control all strategic resources on the planet. Given the fact there was no thread in the past decades they also have enough cash to build one huge mofo Army in no time. And they already control their own "business" airfields in every corner of the world.

The USA on they other hand will be bled dry - without the power to counter it. Ever heard of they expression "being on small boat to china"?

Dont believe me?
Why do they buy a shitty old communist carrier? Because they need to know how to build them. Once they figured it out, they can produce them like bakeries donuts.
Same with the china stealth fighter, they dont want to produce a top of the line fighter, they especially dont want to scare the crap out of the todays superpowers. Imho, this is a large scale prototype run. Learn how this stuff works and how fast you can produce it.
If you got blueprints and understanding of the technology, the only two things keeping you back are: Money and manpower. They have both.

just my ¢2

i completely falsify that by war being the biggest bussiness in the world

usa controls 1s t business: war

2nd business: oil

3rd business: drugs

usa is getting the big fish china the samller ones

[swiss]

Originally Posted by raaaid

i completely falsify that by war being the biggest bussiness in the world

usa controls 1s t business: war

2nd business: oil

3rd business: drugs

usa is getting the big fish china the samller ones

War only works as a business if you export your weapons systems. If you buy them yourself, the result is not quite so shiny.
Btw, what resources do need to build them, where do you get them from?
And last but not least, who is the USA's largest creditor, and why?

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Well if you like that - get this one,

Britian sold Saddam compaonants to build a super gun so he could he could shoot at Jordan(?). The "pipes" were huge! During the Gulf War the SAS blew it up...

Geneva, hotel room, bathtub.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Actually the The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon, more commonly known as the Templars, are an interesting choice as ...

1) they were declared heretical in France and officially disbanded by the church in 1312. They were not exactly exalted heroes of Christendom towards the end.

2) unlike the Hospitallers, who left a humanitarian legacy in the form of St John's ambulance, the Templars were the worlds first corporate bankers, and the first to use control of money to manipulate politics ... which led to their eventual downfall.


To be honest the people who can truly trace their lineage back to the Knights Templar are not the American Marine Corp, it is Goldman Sachs.

in a way..

The Church did grant The Templars exoneration from all forms of payment to the Church (even the obligatory Tithing), at their inception, in return for doing the Church's land grabbing in The Holy Lands.
The real problems arouse when the Church wanted to get its (fair share) hands on the huge amount of wealth amassed by the Templars in their trophy runs

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

in a way..

The Church did grant The Templars exoneration from all forms of payment to the Church (even the obligatory Tithing), at their inception, in return for doing the Church's land grabbing in The Holy Lands.
The real problems arouse when the Church wanted to get its (fair share) hands on the huge amount of wealth amassed by the Templars in their trophy runs

Not so much the church, but the french King, who also was massivly indebted to the Templars and who had the Pope in his pockets.

[raaaid]

wasnt vietanam war extended so the general motors flourished?

usa makes the best weapons, weapons is number one bussines in the world and there are wars all over

this money gets invested in oil

and then this gets invested in drugs so a plant gets its value multiplied 1000000x

sounds like good bussiness to me but well that if you like printed paper

well but this was what i thought wehn i was 18 now i stimate 99% of the world pouplation have acces to time travel and stages the world for the other 1%, the untouchable by the force of paradox

this video is pure political actuallity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wz1KLnjKDM

[swiss]

Originally Posted by raaaid

wasnt vietanam war extended so the general motors flourished?

usa makes the best weapons, weapons is number one bussines in the world and there are wars all over

this money gets invested in oil

and then this gets invested in drugs so a plant gets its value multiplied 1000000x

sounds like good bussiness to me but well that if you like printed paper

well but this was what i thought wehn i was 18 now i stimate 99% of the world pouplation have acces to time travel and stages the world for the other 1%, the untouchable by the force of paradox

You must have a degree in economics!

roflamo.