Vulcan to the Skies

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Bomber command is represented well enough by the 2+1 existing flyable Lancs, there are a few Mossies about and being restored, there is nothing else flying that represents the 'V force' and at least there are some to make airworthy, a Stirling would have to be remanufactured because there are none in existense, I personally would like to see a Halifax and a Wimpy....actually I'd rather see a Warwick because my uncle flew them in WWII.

Look better http://www.stirlingproject.co.uk/
and check what they're doing in Germany with the FW200.

The Vulcan instead is something like this: "heeeeey wassup biatches!? We would really like to take this Vulcan we have back to the sky, cos we think it's cool you know? But hey guess what, we're skint! We're gonna start scraping every bottom of every barrel for some pennies, and then we'll see what happens! It's fun, it's loud, it's huge! Yeah we need at least half a million every six months, but hey, it's fun, it's loud, it's huge!... uh and have I mentioned yet that it's fun, it's loud, it's huge?!"

You simply do not take on such a project with no sound financial plan, it's utterly ridiculous.

Again, look what Lufthansa is doing with their Ju52 (and will do with their Super Connie): restoration according to a sound and affordable maintenance plan, plus the possibility to sell tickets to contribute to the expenses.

Truth is that the Vulcan belongs to a generation where the running costs of these machines were prohibitive for a whole country's GDP, let alone a private enterprise!

TSR 2 would never be able to fly in the UK for the same reason we don't fly the Lightning and theres probably nobody left alive with any flight time on it.

It's only a matter of time before Lightnings will get permission to fly now.
It will surely happen, like it happened in South Africa and USA.

The Vulcan is perfectly valid to represent British engineering and act as ambassador for British armed forces of the past, and if people want to pay for it....so be it, why don't you start a Stirling rebuild campaign and see if you can raise the funds?

I'd leave the "military ambassador of the past" role to a highly significant machine like the Lanc, and maybe take back to the air the Concorde as example of fine British engineering (or maybe make something new?!). No matter how hard you try, there's really no real motivation to fly the Vulcan other than personal interest. Morphing this personal interest into a "worthy cause" though is grotesque to say the least.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by BPickles

Really that narrow minded ? It is living history if we let it go people forget, just because its cold war or nuclear we shouldn't bother. Frankly that attitude sucks mate, do you feel the same about WW2 aircraft? And if its the death factor associated with nukes that's putting you off I assure you concord killed more people in its history than the Vulcan did.
Plus this, ever heard its howl? unique...

Precisely mate. On all counts.

The noise makes me think of a Tyrannosaurus Rex with the horn watching a pretty Tyrannosaurus Regina strutting her stuff. He gets so excited, his trousers start to get uncomfortable, so he lets out this primeval bellow that makes the whole Cretacious epoch shake.

Beats the pathetic human wolf whistle anyday.

[TomcatViP]

!! Someone hve to call Santa not to go in that house at Xmas night - Send some deer as scout patrol !

Regarding Stern comments I think that his arguments are valid especially concerning the Olympic flypast. It wld be way off context just like forgetting to invite her Majesty at the D-day celebration opening ceremony. Wonder what has happened in the planner mind ? And why not a defile of the colonial guard ?

By the way pushing frwd the Vulcan, a nuclear bomber designed to nuke Moscow, on a forum owned by a Russian company is a bit out of savoir vivre. Think abt some Frenchs requesting donation for a Jeanne d'Arc memorial in front of the Westminster church !

[bongodriver]

Look better http://www.stirlingproject.co.uk/

just a forward section.....

The Vulcan instead is something like this: "heeeeey wassup biatches!? We would really like to take this Vulcan we have back to the sky, cos we think it's cool you know? But hey guess what, we're skint! We're gonna start scraping every bottom of every barrel for some pennies, and then we'll see what happens! It's fun, it's loud, it's huge! Yeah we need at least half a million every six months, but hey, it's fun, it's loud, it's huge!... uh and have I mentioned yet that it's fun, it's loud, it's huge?!"

You simply do not take on such a project with no sound financial plan, it's utterly ridiculous.

No....the Vulcan is British built machine.....so it's loud because it's not a glider and has something to do with those british built rolls royce engines, I have met a few ex vulcan pilots in my time who said the aircraft was fantastic to fly, it represents a period in british history that is under represented (hunters are nice but theres loads of them), you may not like it but it is an impressive machine to see, financial plans?.....were in the UK mate......nothing like this would happen if generous folks didn't put up their hard earned......and nobody is putting a gun to their heads...or yours for that matter so you have nothing to say on that.

Again, look what Lufthansa is doing with their Ju52 (and will do with their Super Connie): restoration according to a sound and affordable maintenance plan, plus the possibility to sell tickets to contribute to the expenses.

EASA are working hard to prevent historic machines being used to carry fare paying members of the public.......I believe it's already the case, apparently they don't have inflatable escape slides....blah blah

It's only a matter of time before Lightnings will get permission to fly now.
It will surely happen, like it happened in South Africa and USA

I will ask someone I know in the Lightning preservation if thats the case but I would eat my shorts if it ever did.

I'd leave the "military ambassador of the past" role to a highly significant machine like the Lanc, and maybe take back to the air the Concorde as example of fine British engineering (or maybe make something new?!). No matter how hard you try, there's really no real motivation to fly the Vulcan other than personal interest. Morphing this personal interest into a "worthy cause" though is grotesque to say the least.

Ok sod it....just ban everything appart from tiger moths....what? all WWII British pilots flew them so they represent the whole lot, and are much cheaper.

[bongodriver]

By the way pushing frwd the Vulcan, a nuclear bomber designed to nuke Moscow, on a forum owned by a Russian company is a bit out of savoir vivre. Think abt some Frenchs requesting donation for a Jeanne d'Arc memorial out of the Westminster church !

The Vulcan is no more offensive than say an AK47.......it has certaily killed less people than an AK47

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

The Vulcan is no more offensive than say an AK47.......it has certaily killed less people than an AK47

Agreed ! Small machine guns are the only one real WMD.

[bongodriver]

People kill people......not machines....for now....

[TomcatViP]

Just hve a look of man made slaughters vs weapon technology.

I defy you to makes a valid comparison of spear and bow vs hand launch grenades and machine guns showing that the kill ratio was higher at the ancient time. Have a look at the rescent Brux shooting. That guy won't even hve stabbed 2 ppl if only that what he had in hands

[bongodriver]

Make whatever comparisons you like....it's still people doing the killing

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

just a forward section.....

there's enough material and info to make an airworthy one, especially with that kind of money. With 4 million quid you'd build back a whole Stirling and the maintenance costs would be a tenth (if not less!) of the Vulcan one.

No....the Vulcan is British built machine.....so it's loud because it's not a glider and has something to do with those british built rolls royce engines, I have met a few ex vulcan pilots in my time who said the aircraft was fantastic to fly,

still need to meet a pilot who didn't think his ride was the best in the world

it represents a period in british history that is under represented (hunters are nice but theres loads of them),

and for a good reason I think, there's nothing glorious about those years.

you may not like it but it is an impressive machine to see,

I haven't said I don't like it, I think it's not necessary for it to fly if every season we have the same pathetic plea for money going on..

financial plans?.....were in the UK mate......nothing like this would happen if generous folks didn't put up their hard earned......and nobody is putting a gun to their heads...or yours for that matter so you have nothing to say on that.

Taurine manure, you still need to plan for something like this in a sound way, it's not like your garage restoration of a Morris 8. They hired staff to do this job, it became a full time employment for people.

You obviously know little about the whole thing.. the "mysterious" donation of large chunks of money are a good way of avoiding taxes... do I really have to explain this?!

EASA are working hard to prevent historic machines being used to carry fare paying members of the public.......I believe it's already the case, apparently they don't have inflatable escape slides....blah blah

I doubt it. I personally flew on the Lufthansa Ju52 in two occasions, they treat it like a plane of their fleet.

I will ask someone I know in the Lightning preservation if thats the case but I would eat my shorts if it ever did.

Yeah see what they say.

Ok sod it....just ban everything appart from tiger moths....what? all WWII British pilots flew them so they represent the whole lot, and are much cheaper.

That's nonsense, I'm talking about keeping things feasible and not wasting so much money for the revenue and entertainment of a few folks. To them it's not a hobby, it's a business.