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[winny]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry if it all came out as patronising, it's a cultural thing I'm afraid, nothing personal, this is the way we talk in Italy and we don't mean to be patronising, but it comes out differently and the forum medium doesn't help either. You can't stop it mainly cos it's embarrassingly easy to smuggle stuff through, not in airports, but everywhere else.


ok, so you obviously find firearms fascinating but don't want the responsibility of having one in your household. Is that correct?


It's ok, I still enjoy using all my firearms when I'm back in Italy, it's not big deal to me, but I take several British friends to the shooting range, and they all were impressed by the culture and above all how there's pretty much no difference between a bolt action and semiauto rifle. The Enfield in particular, because of its spring loaded bolt action, is renown for its so called "mad minute", in which experienced shooters can deliver an impressive 30 rounds per minute hitting a target at 200 yards (the record, back in 1914, is of 3. Then again, a rimfire .22cal version of the ColtM4 or Car15 is available for sale, and that is too incredibly lethal.


for the semiauto see above, for the full auto I have a mixed feeling. The destructive potential of an automatic machine gun is big, there could be stricter regulations like you're not authorised to leave the shooting range with it (many shooting ranges offer the possibility to keep your firearms safely stored in their premises). Mind you, regulations on transportation are really strict: whenever you're travelling, the gun can't be in the cabin with you, it needs to be in the boot with its bolt disassembled. Ammunition need to be with you at all time, not with the gun, pistols need to be disassembled on their main components etc.. again, this is the regulation in Europe.


I meant they didn't go for further restrictions on firearms after the Cumbria shooting, which surprised me a bit.


yeah, it's the double standard attitude that I don't get. Again, alcohol causes, directly or indirectly, loads of victims every year, but there's no public condemnation of it. Probably because it's too much of a business, like cars.. there's no real interest for the Government for your health, they just need to give the politically correct buff here and there, attacking easy minorities like gun collectors, whilst spending £1billion for a war that makes no sense in Afghanistan.. go figure!



yeah, that was a dangerous reaction but fortunately for you it worked if this kind of crime is common in your area, I would really recommend to follow a Krav Maga course, it was developed by the Mossad and it's a very effective, no-nonsense defence technique.


Exactly, there's no right or wrong in things, it's the use that we make of them that is either right or wrong (which then again is subjective). As you said, there's nothing wrong with guns, what's wrong is the regulations and controls on the licensing. So the Government should fix that instead of prohibit them altogether.


I'll tell you why, because the Spitfire became a symbol of propaganda, the Enfield instead, which served your countries for 2 world wars, was just a rifle.. there's never been glamour about firearms, but that's what won the war, a Spitfire was armed with machine guns and cannons, not good intentions. That's the "society hypocrisy" that I'm talking about.



exactly, it doesn't affect you, but you should express sympathy to other citizens like you who are deprived of a right, and I mean this in a broad sense, not just related to firearms.

Of course we can move on, I'm sorry again if I came out very blunt in some bits, but my point is that as much as I respect other people's opinion, I want to understand where they come from, not just take them for granted and get them shoved down my throat, like the government does here.

No problem, I like a good (civil) debate.

[ATAG_Doc]

I was only an average debater in school growing up. I just could never seem to master the technique.

[Wolf_Rider]

Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.

- Mohandas Gandhi

[unreasonable]

Originally Posted by timej31

I was only an average debater in school growing up. I just could never seem to master the technique.

I find it hard to believe that 24 hours have gone by and no-one has yet succumbed to the temptation to say that based on the reasoning of your posts surely you must have been a master debater!

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

1Another BNP advocate.. sorry, I need to be here and contribute to your welfare society by offering my specialised work skills, paying taxes also to pay a lot of our fellow citizen who live off the state.. I dunno if this "you don't like it? You go back where you came from!" is because of the keyboard hero syndrome or because you really think so, well if you do you're not thinking in a democratic way. Where do you live exactly? In the countryside or in a big city? Pot is all over the place, fortunately illegal firearms aren't.

2.Again, another uninformed sheep that wants to win an argument with nothing.



3.nope, you would get arrested if you killed the guy or wounded him (cos yes, he could sue you for assault and say "I entered cos the door was open"), again, read your things better. Remember the Indian family in Birmingham who attacked the intruder with a cricket bat?

4.there you go, denial. Why you think they're putting age ratings on games? Do you think it's morally correct to play games about crime? Or let children play with it? You need to be able to discern from reality and fiction, but some people cant, getting more and more de-sensibilised in front of death and destruction.
Think of GTA series, is that a "good" game? And what if they made a game about rape or paedophilia? would that be ok cos it's only pixels? It should, since you think that homicide is ok if it's a videogame..


5.the British public was brainwashed cos it was convenient to the Government. You really don't get it do you? They don't trust you, they don't want you to be armed, there's cameras everywhere, but they're not there to prevent crime, they're there to gather evidence. It's all an illusion, and the unpredictability of the recent riots shows what could happen.

My hobbies don't contravene the law nor the spirit of the country, but then we're talking about a country where6. regularly some extremists burn poppies (symbol of all the fallen soldiers here in the UK) and your flags on the streets and you don't do anything about it.. it really boggles my mind!


7.You, being raised as a selfish individual who follows the flock, think there's no difference between the message given by a videogame and real life, because it's convenient to you, just like the way people get driving licenses here, it's a case of "hey, I need a car" not "hey, driving a car is a responsibility, maybe we should be stricter about it"..

Uh and btw sorry to disappoint, I still have access to firearms, and potentially I could bring most of my own collection here too, if you're not happy about it, talk to your Government..

1.i'm sorry what? BNP? ha! couldn't be further from the truth. mypoint is that you yearn for the firearms laws of home and bemoan the firearms laws of the land you currently reside in... within my own country, i would move where the weather or pubs were nicer, if i don't like an area i move. that is all i am suggesting.

2. more insults, nice.

3. now you're gettign it wrong. yes i very well remember the indian guy with the cricket bat. he and his family had been held hostage, he had been beaten by the intruders for... it was an hours long ordeal. relatives then arrived at the house, the intruders fled, and were pursued. the guy and a relative caught one of them. he thenwent back inside for the cricket bat and beat the intruder to within an inch of his life, leaving him with permanent brain injury. this very act for going back inside for a weapon turned it from self defence to a premeditated assault. i also recall the judge saying he had great sympathy for the indian guy, but had no choice in sentencing him because of this act.

4.you're losing coherence here. you're comparing playing warplanes with a paedo-simulator? really? dear me. GTA, for the record, is an excellent game.

5. i don't want to be armed. i don't want the police to routinely carry firearms. i can see too many opportunities for someone to be needlessly shot. i like these new taser things, non-lethal ftw.

6.oh that is just rubbish. regularly? do you read the mail or something? they declare they are going to do it, or apply to have a demo or somesuch, and it gets called off or denied - mission achieved, publicity.

7. if i am selfish, then mate - you're as bad if not worse. and as i've said, i like that we don't have gunfights. easier to access guns means a higher chance of them being in an idiots hands. and there's lots of idiots around. as for the driving bit... what?


basically, get at least some facts right and stop with such an insulting and whining tone. it'd be nice if you made the effort.

[ATAG_Doc]

I got to do it. BAM!!! Philadelphia freedom baby!

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...129312873.html

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by timej31

I got to do it. BAM!!! Philadelphia freedom baby!

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...129312873.html

I'll play.


Took a while to find an example in a country of 500 million people.

[ElAurens]

Actually the numbers of attacks or attempted attacks that are foiled by folks in the US that can legally carry a fire arm in the the thousands per year, and most end without shots being fired.

[Wolf_Rider]

"That's not a gun... this, is a gun"

[ATAG_Doc]

Help yourselves.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/cat.../true-stories/

My favorite stories are Pistol-packing Pastor Bags Teen Burglars and Ex-Lover Shot After Attempting Forcible Reconciliation.