Friday 2010-12-03 Dev. update and Discussion

[Conte Zero]

In for a second just to say that, as a complete editor freak (in any game, expecially IL2) I greatly appreciated the last screenshots showing the FMB

Thanks to Oleg and his whole great team.

Cz

[klem]

Originally Posted by winny

I just wanted to add some facts to this really............

I completely agree although those airfields are north of the current extent of the Map.

I would be happy to see Duxford representing all of those.

Anyway, enough said unless we can hear from Oleg.

[winny]

I completely agree although those airfields are north of the current extent of the Map.

I would be happy to see Duxford representing all of those.

I don't think any 12 Group stations are on the map and I'm not arguing against that it would be nice to have Duxford on the map.
SoW is obviously a Simulation based on 11 Group.

It would be nice if you were able to allow the player to call in sqn's from 12 Group to 11 Group airfields whilst in a mission, and accuratley represent the time delays involved.

Personally, I think it is more important to represent the Squadrons accuratley and be able to use them, than have Duxford.

There's a fine line between 'What it was like' and 'How it was'
If any game was exactly 'How it was' it wouldn't be a game any more, it'd be the longest documentary ever.

If you want to know what it was like to be an 11 Group Fighter Pilot in 1940 then SoW will show you 'what it was like'. If you want to be a 12 group pilot then you should probably give it a miss...

Originally Posted by winny

If you want to know what it was like to be an 11 Group Fighter Pilot in 1940 then SoW will show you 'what it was like'. If you want to be a 12 group pilot then you should probably give it a miss...

Or they could just take off from one of the 11th group airstrips, circle for 15-20 minutes to burn off some fuel and waste some time and voila! You just simulated a flight from an airstrip further away! Don't forget to circle the airstrip for another 10-15 minutes when landing.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by klem

I don't want to offend Oleg but it is so fundamental to the main defensive Battle, in the South East, that it should be in there. It is not a 'future enhancement' for 'other campaigns', it was an important factor in the Battle and should be in from the start. Not having the one day major NE Coast Luftwaffe raid (2 targets) playable is only a small matter.

No Duxford in the BoB is like playing cards with all the Jacks removed.

BoB in it's historical sense can't be properly fulfilled or re-enacted/scenario'd without it. OTOH, if people are only interested in big dogfights and shooting down a few bombers over Kent and pretending they are recreating the BoB they won't care, and it won't matter, what fields are or aren't included.

We could of course select a West Country airfield to represent Duxford and have them fly northeast to the edge of the map then turn around and fly south but that's hardly in keeping with Oleg's policy of quality and accuracy.

Please remember that this thread is specifically intended for us to air our views on this week's offering fom Oleg. He's quite capable of answering for himself on such a fundamental point. It's the first time I have seen the map and you can judge from other posts that the Duxford issue is a real concern.

Klem, I am assuming that you aren't an englishman because your geography is all over the shop.

1. Duxford is in the East, not the South-East You may consider it the South East but people in England consider it Eastern, especially those who proudly live there. To put things into perspective it is as far north as Coventry and they speak funny up there
2. The South West is not on this map. The South West (where I live) extends to Wiltshire and that's it. Everything else to the East is considered Southern and South Eastern.
3. Historically 12 Group squadrons didn't get all that involved in the fighting over the South Downs. Winny covered this point very well.

In order to include Duxford the map would have to extend another 50 miles northward. To put things into perspective RAF Croydon is 50 miles from the South Coast at Brighton.

[Abbeville-Boy]

there has to be a line not crossed to get this thing done ASAP

[Ploughman]

I was looking forward to bombing Weymouth, but Southampton'll do nicely. And Sidcup of course, coming to get you Sidcup.

Thanks for the update, looks like more lost weeks in the mission builder ahead.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Klem, I am assuming that you aren't an englishman because your geography is all over the shop.

1. Duxford is in the East, not the South-East You may consider it the South East but people in England consider it Eastern, especially those who proudly live there. To put things into perspective it is as far north as Coventry and they speak funny up there
2. The South West is not on this map. The South West (where I live) extends to Wiltshire and that's it. Everything else to the East is considered Southern and South Eastern.
3. Historically 12 Group squadrons didn't get all that involved in the fighting over the South Downs. Winny covered this point very well.

In order to include Duxford the map would have to extend another 50 miles northward. To put things into perspective RAF Croydon is 50 miles from the South Coast at Brighton.

Oh gawd I promised myself I wouldn't say any more on this but your points are a bit different.

I am English, I now live on the South Coast near to Brighton. I was born in SE London under what had been the V1/V2 alley and 300 yds from a major triple railway junction that got plastered several times. I played on bombsites and have got p*ssed in Croydon. I work as a volunteer at an aviation museum that was an 11 Group Sector Station and has a hall dedicated to the BoB. I know exactly where Duxford is, I have visited it several times and my daughter went to Uni at nearby Cambridge. I drove past Duxford many times.

My english said 'the main defensive Battle, in the South East,' meaning I accept that we don't have the North Eastern LF5 raids or the offensive bombing raids into Germany (don't ever suggest to Bomber Crew of the time that Bombing played no part in the Battle, I have met a couple and they don't like it).

I know the South West is not on the Map and I haven't worried about 10 Group although the map touches on that.

The 12 Group squadrons did not, indeed, get much involved over the South Downs, their task was to defend the 11 Group Airfields, particularly those to the South of London down to Surrey and mid Kent.

Look guys, we can kick this football around for another week. We all have our opinions about whether 12 Group was important or not. Some of your your views are interesting and to me somewhat surprising at how little importance you attach to 12 Group's involvement in the Battle, as it was fought, or to how it might otherwise have been fought.

However, mine was a simple question to Oleg. The only thing I am really interested in now, expecting that we won't get an important part of 12 Group, is how Oleg, knowing the Battle, intended us to represent Squadrons outside 11 Group that took part, e.g. how did he envisage us representing the Duxford Wing.

That's it, I'm done.

[nearmiss]

Klem

You have made some very good points.

Oleg may be able to address your concerns. Possibly a while after the initial release with an enlarged map, which could release as a patch.

Then again, for security reasons the actual map for BOB SOW may not be what we are seeing in the screenshots. Afterall, the SOW is about the Battle of Britain. It just doesn't make sense for a BOB to not have all the groups covered.

Afterall, many users already have large amounts of ram, high performance video cards, and multi-processors. It has been my understanding the map sizes have been restricted principally to allow persons with lower spec systems to use the sim.

[Bearcat]

If this sim is like IL2 was I will not be surprised it it will run fine off a dual core something or other with DDR 400 RAM and -4 generation video card.. at toned down settings of course..