Friday 2011-01-21 Dev. update and Discussion

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

I'm quite surprised all the negative posts are actually allowed,on an official forum.Since the announcement of the release they seem worse,and appear to be building up in to some sort of frenzy,for some weird unexplained reason.
I would like to request that the moderators jump on it a bit more,because it is getting to the stage where it could cost sales,because someone new to this forum,looking for info on CoD,will just think its carp,and forget about it.
Oh,and +1 to what El Aurens said.

? ? ?
Surprised that different opinion is allowed ? In a place called FORUM ?
Frenzy - two apparent facts ?
Who has mentioned (except you) that it is "crap" ???
Pointing to direction of improvement - "forget about it" ?

I don't know what is "negative post" by your criteria... but your post is nothing but burst of negativity.

"Moderators to jump on me" ? For what ?

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( In my view - this forum is about Luftwaffe... If You call Gestapo in - keep it for your private life... and take your medicine on regular bases... world will look better, you'll see... )

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Trumper

+1 a Brilliant post ,unfortunately you are fighting some fanboys on here who will not question,or ask.
Why do we have to wait for the sim to be purchased and on our computers before we see these "hidden" goodies that are promised [not by Oleg but assumed by people on here ].
Has no one considered the facts that maybe ,just maybe what we have and see is it,there are no hidden jewels.
Yes it is a forum,a forum is that should be open enough to ask,discuss not get shouted down as a doubter.
I am worried that when the sim is released people will have built up too much hope on these issues and then feel deflated.
I wait with baited breath to be shot down for daring to ask.
Just out of interest ,how much can be added in 2 months before release without risking introducing problems and bugs?

If you haven't seen the hidden jewels from SOME of the clips and screen grabs then you haven't been looking. They are out there. This has nothing to do with Oleg worship. I've seen enough with my own eyes to know that the video released as the promo isn't on the finest settings and that there will be levels of detail and visual excitement to satisfy even the most jaded. Some only bitch because it's habit and know no other way of expressing themselves.

Now I (or any serious person interested in this game) don't mind actual criticism, but the truth is that there are a handful of whiners who appear under the guise of wanting to improve CoD. I say Bullsh!t. It's the difference between a boxer and a brawler. A boxer trains and hones his skill for the fight with an understanding of the sport and opponent. The brawler enters the ring and swings wildly not caring who or how they hit. They flail madly hoping to land a punch. Though they may get a hit in here or there, they are untrained, not good opponents and ultimately do nothing for the sport.

An interested hobbyist/boxer (if you will) who gives serious critiquing adds to the conversation and improvement. On the other hand I've seen whiners/brawlers say anything from, "The landscape looks like a 3 year old's colouring book" to "Oleg doesn't care about CoD. He has a new job." Are you going to tell me that THAT is constructive criticism? Those are attacks. There's a difference, and most forum regulars are tired of it. THAT sir is the point.




Another point? When's the last time Oleg's been in here? When he does he's attacked by the uncouth brawler. Sure there are those who worship at the alter of Oleg, but there are many more who go by the track record established in IL2 and truly want to know the progress of CoD without the childish antics displayed by some. And if you think they are bad here - you should see them on other forums.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Trumper

Why is it the fanboys have to criticise anyone that has the audacity to say anything that isn't in agreement with them.
I think it will be good and i will buy it in time but i don't think it is too much to ask to be given more solid information regarding certain aspects which haven't been addressed.
If it can be answered ,then why haven't they? that alone makes people doubt.
Lets be honest it has been a shambles so far, Ubi being announced on the hoof as it was badly leaked and not really being a popular choice.
A change of title announced which went down like a lead balloon ,yes even on this forum,
A poor advertising video preview,hardly a positive start.They need to start putting something of substance together soon to put the doubts to bed and sell to people who are sitting on the sidelines.

People draw comments for negative statements that infer things like "we haven't seen the new clouds so there probably aren't any". So people remind him that they are still debugging them.

You infer that we're going to have to wait until the game is released to see what we're buying. I say they are still working on the final build, and we will probably see a few more complete screenshots and videos in March when the gold copy is off for pressing.

You prefer to be negative, others prefer to be positive, because they know the developers history of supporting his product. Untempered negativity only serves to drive away potential consumers of our genre. We only have one WW2 combat flight sim developer willing to stand by his product for years, so I would prefer to help him than drive him out of business.

[FS~Hawks]

Oleg do you know what type of admin tool we will have in IL_2 COD ?
for the admin's online game play.

[Coen020]

geez people, chill out

even if Cod has some imperfections there is something called a patch which fixes a game and brings it to a new version which people can download.

And i/you/everyone can garantee that there will be patches, not one game ever created was perfect.

[FS~Hawks]

Originally Posted by Coen020

geez people, chill out

even if Cod has some imperfections there is something called a patch which fixes a game and brings it to a new version which people can download.

And i/you/everyone can garantee that there will be patches, not one game ever created was perfect.

+1

[robtek]

And even if all the imagined "faults" were real, it still would be the best ww2 combat simulation ever seen!!!
The whining happens at a niveau no other sim has reached so far.

Originally Posted by robtek

And even if all the imagined "faults" were real, it still would be the best ww2 combat simulation ever seen!!!
The whining happens at a niveau no other sim has reached so far.

Without doubt it will be the best ww2 flight sim, to date Il2 still is. I think people's expectations were raised to high by some of the early interviews that Oleg did, a lot was promised, and many expected the terrain, trees etc to look as good as the 3d models which look stunning. However we still haven't seen any finished 'in game' shots in high res with DX11, whilst this might be done for a reason many including myself begin to wonder why, add this to the fact that luthier as already stated that alot of features have been pulled from the intial release then its fair to say that some spirits may have been dampened slightly after waiting so long for our 'cinematic' flight sim. But you are right it will be the best there is, but probably not as good as we hoped it would be.

[zauii]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Without doubt it will be the best ww2 flight sim, to date Il2 still is. I think people's expectations were raised to high by some of the early interviews that Oleg did, a lot was promised, and many expected the terrain, trees etc to look as good as the 3d models which look stunning. However we still haven't seen any finished 'in game' shots in high res with DX11, whilst this might be done for a reason many including myself begin to wonder why, add this to the fact that luthier as already stated that alot of features have been pulled from the intial release then its fair to say that some spirits may have been dampened slightly after waiting so long for our 'cinematic' flight sim. But you are right it will be the best there is, but probably not as good as we hoped it would be.

I never expected the trees to look as detailed as the 3d models, that is unrealistic and anyone who ever expected that should be slapped in the face, wake up..

That just isnt reasonable from a technical and optimization standpoint, this isnt a first person shooter..

[Meusli]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Without doubt it will be the best ww2 flight sim, to date Il2 still is. I think people's expectations were raised to high by some of the early interviews that Oleg did, a lot was promised, and many expected the terrain, trees etc to look as good as the 3d models which look stunning. However we still haven't seen any finished 'in game' shots in high res with DX11, whilst this might be done for a reason many including myself begin to wonder why, add this to the fact that luthier as already stated that alot of features have been pulled from the intial release then its fair to say that some spirits may have been dampened slightly after waiting so long for our 'cinematic' flight sim. But you are right it will be the best there is, but probably not as good as we hoped it would be.

Apart from the clouds that we have been told are not in at the moment as they are still being worked on, I think the features that have been removed/not added are the candy effect ones. little things like ground crew, cars driving on the roads and cows in the field etc. These are the sort of things that are not important for flying in the air and are easy to add later but hard to optimise when a dead line is looming. Graphical effects like the terrain and colours will be spot on I believe as they are very important. You just have to look at yours and other posts to know this

At the end of the day we are talking about a photograph expert that lives and breaths the perfect shot. He will not let us down.