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IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey Famous title comes to consoles.

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Old 09-21-2009, 09:05 PM
fuzzychickens fuzzychickens is offline
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Well I do. I mean it's kinda common knowledge to know that the 109 a high altitude fighter, can't do much against a low altitude Yak-3 unless he tries to BnZ, but usually I just get out of their way when that happens.
Which points out the problem with the way the map works in sim mode. It's hardly realistic to always detect an enemy about to bounce you.

The map needs to only give general idea where enemy is on grid - not exact position.

Currently, all advantage is pretty much to turn fighting planes. This leaves 109, 190, p51 and others as pretty pointless in sim or any other mode.

In addition, the 109g6 and K4 are saddled with the extra weight of wing cannons - hardly a common config for those planes.
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Old 09-20-2009, 11:28 PM
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Not a lot of people realise the performance limitations that come with each aircraft. Guess they don't try out a lot of planes. My guess is most people recognize the Spit as an awesome plane, and when they try to fly it they get sick of the wingdrops. So they try the next plane: the 109. This one is pretty easy to fly, so they stick with it. I love it when I'm the only La-7 in a room full of 109's. I'll outturn them anytime. And that with an airplane that is surprisingly easy to fly as well. The Spit IV outturns the La, but is a lot trickier to fly.
I guess people should just try out more different planes, and they'll notice how they fly.
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Old 09-20-2009, 11:32 PM
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Well, Ive Never known & id say most people wont aswell
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Old 09-20-2009, 11:33 PM
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The problem is that if people will always fly at the optimum altitude for their aircraft you might always be at different altitudes . I vote ignorance is bliss on this one.
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Old 09-20-2009, 11:38 PM
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Well, Ive Never known & id say most people wont aswell
Well if you fly Sim, you should realize how your plane handles at certain altitudes. I sure do. Flying my Yak-3 at 10,000ft is not a good setting. But flying say a 109 or something like that, I have no problem.

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The problem is that if people will always fly at the optimum altitude for their aircraft you might always be at different altitudes . I vote ignorance is bliss on this one.
Maybe, I just think people need to try out other planes. Not just go for those that seem the best, though the Yak-3 in my opinion is the best at lower altitudes besides the I-153 Chaika or I-16?
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Old 09-20-2009, 11:45 PM
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Well at some point you have to try and use your disadvantage to your advantage. For instance, you mention the 109, but Ive seen a few pilots heavily overshoot a 109 thats at low level and slowed way down.

See many people will automatically try and out-turn the 109, but a good pilot will know this and try and lure in a bandit on his 6. Then when the time is right pulling way back on the throttle, the enemy roars past and is killed.

Plus with a 109 if you keep the speed up you can force and opponent way off track, allowing team members to get on his tail. Also the 109 at speed has a comparable turn rate to most other aircraft, which means no real advantage for the enemy.
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Old 09-21-2009, 10:01 PM
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Not a lot of people realise the performance limitations that come with each aircraft. Guess they don't try out a lot of planes. My guess is most people recognize the Spit as an awesome plane, and when they try to fly it they get sick of the wingdrops. So they try the next plane: the 109. This one is pretty easy to fly, so they stick with it. I love it when I'm the only La-7 in a room full of 109's. I'll outturn them anytime. And that with an airplane that is surprisingly easy to fly as well. The Spit IV outturns the La, but is a lot trickier to fly.
I guess people should just try out more different planes, and they'll notice how they fly.
there's a lot of planes in this game and they all perform differently. basically you need to have a lot of experience with your aircraft. like a real pilot really. a rookie who doesnt know the limitations of his aircraft will always be easy meat to a veteran who knows what he is doing.
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:27 AM
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And so my question is, because this seems to happen to me every time I fly my Yak-3 against a 109. Why do some people online, think that 5,000ft and below, they can challenge me in a turning and roll fight? Has anyone else gone up against these kinds of people?
The simple answer is that not everybody knows as much as you about this subject. It's pretty elitist you calling them "these kinds of people".
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Old 09-21-2009, 07:51 PM
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I was just playing against my friend, and someone neither of us knew? I was flying of course, my Yak-3, and my friend was flying a 109G6 as well as the other guy. While my friend knows not to come down and take me on, the other guy who had some skills up high, had little to none at lower altitudes.

And so my question is, because this seems to happen to me every time I fly my Yak-3 against a 109. Why do some people online, think that 5,000ft and below, they can challenge me in a turning and roll fight? Has anyone else gone up against these kinds of people?

And to answer the possible question of did I win against him. The simple answer is of course: Yes!
This is probably the reason the severs are so very empty, people think that sim fans are arrongant bastards that mock anyone would cannot list in order each component of the plane.

If you met this person in your first match that view would be solidified.

So gloat if you will sir, but enjoy your empty servers.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:17 PM
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The fun thing about this game (one of those newbie folks here ) is that I'd never even heard of 90% of these planes before I bought it! I'd thought WWII was fought with only Mustangs, Spits, Corsairs, Zeros and some Mescherscmits (sp?). I've found my new love with the LA-7, Russia had some great planes! I've had excellent luck online with this one. I've spent a bit of time reading now about the various aircraft too, lots of interesting history in it.

Our 8 yo son now runs around the house with a die-cast Polikarpov I-16 as his main dogfighting toy, lol Never heard of that one either. I'm going to guess most people trying this game don't know what fighter is good for what, especially what optimal altitudes are.
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