I Refuse To Fly WW2 CoD German Aircraft. Why?

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by Hood

What your relatives did have no bearing on how misguided your post is, though I'd love to know what they'd say if they read it.

I included it purley for the people, who like you, like to jump on the "what my ancestors did in the war and why I am pround and right!" crowd who think war is glorious and rightous! The people that use the argument "my ancestors took part so I have a right to say what I think!". Well my ancestors took part and here is what I think!

Originally Posted by Hood

The original post was nothing to do with the rights and wrongs, but with flying aircraft used by the "enemy" whichever side the "enemy" fought for.

As for "peace", what does that mean? Acceding to the demands of a bonkers leader freeing him up to annexe large parts of Europe and exterminating entire races, or does it mean making the ultimate sacrifice to protect your country, its people and those that you are allied with?

I think you can shove your version of peace so far up the dark place that it tickles your nose.

Hood

ps for your records, one grandfather stepped on a mine but lived and one taught pilots to fly Spits. I think they'd both laugh at you, or worse.

pps Over and out as I don't think I can contribute more in the face of obstinate stupidity.

Im sad for you. I think they would all agree wars a waste.

Why didnt you make any reasoning or point of the Polish officer corps massacre by the Soviets? Why dont you feel troubled by the betrayel of Poland by England and France? These things that lead to the war mean nothing for the glory of England? What about the war crimes of the British of Hamburg and Dresden?

"He who fights monsters should see to it that he himself does not become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
— Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil

and let us not forget:

“That was mere foreplay. Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.” (German: “Das war Vorspiel nur. Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen.”)
- Heinrich Heine, Almansor (1821)

You say that the second world war was fought to preserve freedoms! Yet you deny me these freedoms! You sir are the evil. You have become what you hate!

Originally Posted by Hood

As for "peace", what does that mean?

It means I dont wish anybody any harm.



So Avro Uk, fly what makes you happy for what ever reasons because you are free to do so!

[von Brühl]

Originally Posted by Hood

As for "peace", what does that mean? ... or does it mean making the ultimate sacrifice to protect your country, its people and those that you are allied with?

Hitler did these things, remember, he only attacked those countries which were pre-war German/Austrio-Hungarian, until Germany was in turn attacked by France/England. He was restoring people and lands taken away by Versailles. Poland had been a country for less than 30 years, German for the previous 200. Checkoslavakia had not been a sovereign nation in I don't know how long, if ever. France and England were rightly concerned about their status in Europe if a strong Germany again rose.

The only real country with a legitimate invasion beef against Hitler would be the Soviet Union. The rest is just propaganda...

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Yes Poland, the Polish that were good enough to fight and die for the Glorious British Empire and then whom were left under Soviet control.... BETRAYED by the English!

Yes, +1 betrayal is the right word here.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Yes, +1 betrayal is the right word here.

Yes because the British should have fought an unwinnable war alone against the Russians just so Britain could have been part of the Soviet Union too, makes perfect sense to do this immediately after a war which practically broke our country.

[JG52Krupi]

I get the feeling that this thread is going to show the REAL trolls of the community not the ones that are fed up of a buggy game but the ones that think if you fly blue it means you support there ideology.

Before you say anything about me I am British, was born in Germany and I can't stand patriots.

I have long forgotten why I started flying blue but my first few years playing il2 were spent flying for the reds. I now fly blue mainly due to my love of the engineering behind the 109 and 190 plus they just look so mean

Truth be told at the release of cod I almost quit JG52 to look for an RAF side and I have participated occasionally with 56raf squad sorties on ATAG

[Hood]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Yes, +1 betrayal is the right word here.

And there's me thinking the Poles fought to kill Germans when all along it was to preserve the British Empire.

Put yourself in the position of Britain in 1945. Stretched, tired, broke and with an empire in tatters. Then look at what they'd have to face to contest Poland by force.

Betrayal, no. Invasion by an unstoppable force, certainly. There's a whole world of difference between turning your back or just accepting what has happened because the costs of doing something are too high.

I reckon the Soviets could have driven their tanks up Pall Mall quite quickly if they'd wanted to.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Have you lost your mind?

England (including all other countries, Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland, as was appropriate at this time to refer to them simply as England) and France declared war on Germany.

Dispite numerous peace offers of Germany (or the 3rd Reich if you prefer), we the English (British) declined, even when Hitler offered to step down... These peace offering and nogotiations even encluded Rudolf Hess (2nd deputy of Germany) flying to Scotland to reason with the Duke of Hamilton.... In short NSDAP Germany went to great lengths not to war with England. Through the situation England which found the situation of events distasteful - waged war on Germany upon the will of only one man - Winston Spencer Churchill - Lord of the Admiralty.

"Victory, Victory at all costs!" A victory that cost the English (yes Im English but I was not there) an Empire! An Empire that was put up as collatoral for the massive and extorsionate loans from the USA and other countries. An Empire which granted some states independance in exchange for service to the British Realm in exchange if they fought for Britian! - Indian Regiments for example! An Empire WS Churchill was trying to save!

Winston Spencer Churchill, syphilis sufferer, was a Veteran of the colonial wars (he had to do the exam 3 times at sandhurst to become an officer because he failed it twice!) in India and Africa. He was fighting for Englands (Britians) sake, for an Empire he "cashed in" to fight the Germans! Only Great Britain was to rule the world - having the largest empire in the world EVER! It was Mutually Assured Destruction before the cold war!

What ever you believe (and I am not pro NSDAP or anything else but a human being!) you must consder the historical importance from before and after this time!


I'd also like to point out Germany finally repaid its War reperations a few years ago:

Wikipedia (unreliable)



Wheras England and the USA never paid any reperations for the crimes against humanity for Dresden, Hamburg, Nagasaki or Hiroshima! The VICTORS write the rules...

In short patriotism is for C****!

Truly one of the most bizarre postings ever made on a flight sim forum.

Farber, where on earth do you get your information?
Churchill suffered from Syphilis!? Hitler offered to step down?? Roflmao!!
The war was Churchills decision alone!!? The clip you posted gives you the lie to that statement anyway. When Chamberlain stepped down as PM in May 1940 there were two choices to succeed him. Churchill or Halifax. Whoever was PM had to command the support of the Labour party to form a national government. The Labour party did not trust Halifax. They turned to Churchill because the mood of the country was defiance.

Everyone realised that to make terms with Hitler meant the end of our freedom and the end of any hopes of freedom for the rest of Europe.

You don't, by any chance get your information from some sort of....er....right wing political websites do you? Just askin'.

[raaaid]

you take this game so seriously you cant fly german

man i take it so real life like i dont even shoot, just fly fopr the fun

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by raaaid

you take this game so seriously you cant fly german

man i take it so real life like i dont even shoot, just fly fopr the fun

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[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Truly one of the most bizarre postings ever made on a flight sim forum.

Farber, where on earth do you get your information?
Churchill suffered from Syphilis!? Hitler offered to step down?? Roflmao!!
The war was Churchills decision alone!!? The clip you posted gives you the lie to that statement anyway. When Chamberlain stepped down as PM in May 1940 there were two choices to succeed him. Churchill or Halifax. Whoever was PM had to command the support of the Labour party to form a national government. The Labour party did not trust Halifax. They turned to Churchill because the mood of the country was defiance.

Sorry it was his father who had it. As for the mood of the people, please see Simon Schama's interpretation. Hes a historian, I am a layman.

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Everyone realised that to make terms with Hitler meant the end of our freedom and the end of any hopes of freedom for the rest of Europe.

What freedom? Freedom to be ruled by one or another? You should seriously look up fleet law and common law and see how our freedoms are being used by corporations. We are all serfs under somebody.

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

You don't, by any chance get your information from some sort of....er....right wing political websites do you? Just askin'.

No I do not. If you had read the above correctly you would not make assumptions as you are. I prefer to read as many sources as I can and draw my own conclusions as a Human Being.