Gunsight reticle in CloD

[5./JG27.Farber]

In certain lighting conditions I am sure you would see a faint reflection (although this is the wrong term as its actually the blocking of reflected light).


Some light enters, so some light must leave! Unless its a black hole?!
I leave it to you Robo to prove otherwise.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Redroach

yes, I have. And I've just decided to no longer bother with individuals like you.

Another idiot

[IvanK]

I have flown four aircraft types with either Gunsights and or HUDS. In all of these aircraft with the Gunsight/HUD off no symbology or even feint evidence of them on the combining glass is present. IMO it shouldnt be there in CLOD either.

[Redroach]

In this thread, like in the other one about coolant leaks, all those people which caused so much trouble in the past are coming together again...
If there's a bug, it needs to be fixed, sure.
But in the past, 1C always has listened to people which cry loudest, "over-fixed" things or fixed things which weren't broken in the first place (look up Merlin engines cutting out on negative g...) and introduced a host of new bugs on the way.
That's why I won't bother with that anymore, especially those using the argument "have you sat in a real spitfire" etc, blah... if we can believe 1C's statements, there are people there who have, so at least cockpit optics should be reviewed. People cry big time, 1C wants to please them and the rest has to sort it out, while those which went postal, are again spending their time on the forums, ranting about the german pilot model having a moustache which "is unusual for the timeframe" or something...

P.S.: Even if there is a reticle issue, which I don't believe for a moment, it would be a very, VERY low-priority issue...

[FS~Phat]

Keep the agro out of the discussion please!

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Redroach

In this thread, like in the other one about coolant leaks, all those people which caused so much trouble in the past are coming together again...
If there's a bug, it needs to be fixed, sure.

Redroach I honestly don't know what is bothering you but it was not my intention to upset you or to cause trouble. I never posted anything about 'coolant leaks' either. My reply was not ment in an offensive way, I am simply interested in opinions of people who have RL experience with gyroscopic gunsights.

I am not crying at all, I am just curious. I see there is something I don't understand with my limited knowledge, I raised the issue and seen many people disagreed (there is no problem at all with that), but they were too busy to explain why (also no problem) and I'd simply like to know what they know.

Originally Posted by Redroach

That's why I won't bother with that anymore, especially those using the argument "have you sat in a real spitfire" etc, blah... if we can believe 1C's statements, there are people there who have, so at least cockpit optics should be reviewed. People cry big time, 1C wants to please them and the rest has to sort it out, while those which went postal, are again spending their time on the forums, ranting about the german pilot model having a moustache which "is unusual for the timeframe" or something...

Feel free not to bother, I understand your point about the priorities. All you wrote was your opinion (I think... can be). which I appreciate, but with all due respect you didn't answer my question at all. I know there is lots of people here with experience and access to this kind of equipment and I'd like to hear what they think. I'll be glad to be proven wrong in my assumtion as long I learn something.

Originally Posted by Redroach

P.S.: Even if there is a reticle issue, which I don't believe for a moment, it would be a very, VERY low-priority issue...

I agree, there is no question about it. I actually started the issue at 'low' priority myself. But I believe that's a genuine bug and it makes no sense at all so why not raise it?

As for the actual topic - none of the gunsights I've seen in RL did this kind of reflection as the reticle plate is enclosed deep inside of the gunsight body (that is for both ReVi and Mk.I gunsight) and unless there is strong source of light coming from the bottom, there is nothing to reflect. It seems very unrealistic and as I see some people agree.

[Redroach]

After a quick Google search:
http://markonepartners.co.uk/sites/d...ht%20004-C.jpg

Not the correct Gunsight, but a reflector one - with some Goodwill, you can make out a blue-ish line in the middle (as well as several other things...)

So it may be there or maybe it won't - still, very minor.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Redroach

After a quick Google search:
http://markonepartners.co.uk/sites/d...ht%20004-C.jpg

Not the correct Gunsight, but a reflector one - with some Goodwill, you can make out a blue-ish line in the middle (as well as several other things...)

So it may be there or maybe it won't - still, very minor.

That is the collimator lens reflection from the camera flash. I guess the lens might be reflecting from the glass surface but a faint crosshair, I've never seen.

[310_cibule]

Robo It's almost like some SVK "dispute"

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

In certain lighting conditions I am sure you would see a faint reflection (although this is the wrong term as its actually the blocking of reflected light).

In certain lighting conditions like a bulb switched on underneath the plate? Or a torch from the top? Perhaps. I just rang my friend up and made a strange request - it is very sunny at the moment, mid day:

- Yo mate you're alright? Please take your German ReVi (12c), take your L-29 (MiG-15) and MiG-21 gunsights outside and have a look if you can see any reticle reflection on the glass.

- What?

- Take them outside in the sun, wiggle with them, turn them upside down and look at the glass if any light reflects on the reflector glass

- Rob you're crazy, the thing is off. There is nothing visible on the glass unless you switch it on. That's how they invented it you know... I am not taking my stuff outside just because you're nuts. You need some bloody light to get that thing work you know that. That's why there is a bulb inside, see...

- Alright just take the ReVi then

- I am not taking that outside, neighbours will look at me funny.

- Just put in in a Tesco bag, take the MiG-15 then.

- Rob there is no light in there I am standing by the window you fool.

- No no, go outside and walk, move it along like you're turning circles in the aircrfaft, then make a Spilit s or something. Pleeeeeeeease. And while you're at it take a torch with you. When you see the cross say TATATATATATA.

- sigh

- I'll ring you back in 20 minutes alright. I need to know if you can see anything on the gunsight glass.

- I can tell you now that you bloody can't. (he explained to me how to insert a filter in there and how there is no chance of any light entering except when you're doing that) and get a light source beneath)

- Be a pal and while you do the split S bit, you know, try to flash the torch inside. From the bottom and also from the top.

- in 20 minutes time

- Yo mate you're alright? What kids did laugh at you? Don't worry about that.

- Ok no sight of the cross. Not a chance. Too deep in the body of the gunsight? Especially not a chance in the bright light. Okay.

- Why did I ask you to do that? You kow there is this computer game...

Phonecall interrupted after series of angry sounds.

I didn't make him take a pictures or make a video.