The real deal !!!!

[Thee_oddball]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

cheaper to produce, easier to maintain.. Many pilots (Galland included) who came from the 109 school weren't too impressed with the different characteristics of the 190. I don't think one is better than the other, the FW190 proved more versatile in the long run, but the 109 always had the edge in terms of manouverability.

Guther Rall
"the 109 was a floret and the 190 was a sabre"

[Blakduk]

The main advantage the 109 had over the 190 was its performance at altitude- the 190 hit its service ceiling hard and performance dropped off dramatically. It wasn't really until the 190D that it was acceptable up high- especially at the altitude the USAAF flew at.
Love the video- need more.
Was this the one they found in a forest in the Ukraine?

[ChrisDNT]

"Was this the one they found in a forest in the Ukraine?"

Yes

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

cheaper to produce, easier to maintain.. Many pilots (Galland included) who came from the 109 school weren't too impressed with the different characteristics of the 190. I don't think one is better than the other, the FW190 proved more versatile in the long run, but the 109 always had the edge in terms of manouverability.

From my understanding Galland wasn't exactly open to new ideas either. I'm reading Steinhilper's book "Spitfire on my tail" and apparently Galland was even against having radio comms in the 109. Coming from the Legion Condor and used to handsigns and wing flapping, guys like him didn't see much past their nose, according to Ulrich Steinhilper, so this attitude is quite clearly explained then IMO.

As for the production cost I agree and understand. Germany was on the backburner very early on. Shame though that the 190 wasn't produced earlier.

[TeeJay82]

If the 109 and the 190 perform close to the real deal in il2, id take a fw anyday...

the 109 roll rate feels like a bus in comparison

[Les]

Thanks for the vids.

Winged engines, with machine guns. What a concept.

Would be good to see, in-game, the wings moving up and down when the plane's stationary like they do in the first video. Would add a bit more life to the model, and assuming it's the result of the prop getting rotated, would be a good reminder of the sheer power up front of the plane's we're supposedly flying.

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

...uuuh I just did a trousers shame LOL
It's surprising to see how much oil it burns though, I thought it was just a Chinese/Russian crap engine thing.

This is actually the one found in a Russian forest, I believe in the '90s. You can find some film on Youtube with a little searching. Real cool that this baby is flying!

[BlackbusheFlyer]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

From my understanding Galland wasn't exactly open to new ideas either. I'm reading Steinhilper's book "Spitfire on my tail" and apparently Galland was even against having radio comms in the 109. Coming from the Legion Condor and used to handsigns and wing flapping, guys like him didn't see much past their nose, according to Ulrich Steinhilper, so this attitude is quite clearly explained then IMO.

As for the production cost I agree and understand. Germany was on the backburner very early on. Shame though that the 190 wasn't produced earlier.

Shame that it wasn't produced earlier? What? The FW190 outclassed the Spitfire Mk V and it wasn't until the Spitfire Mk IX which outclassed both the FW190 and bf109G until the RAF had the upper hand.

Remember that the FW190's were the instrument of a Nazi oppressive regime, they lost and they lost hard and thank god.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

From my understanding Galland wasn't exactly open to new ideas either. I'm reading Steinhilper's book "Spitfire on my tail" and apparently Galland was even against having radio comms in the 109. Coming from the Legion Condor and used to handsigns and wing flapping, guys like him didn't see much past their nose, according to Ulrich Steinhilper, so this attitude is quite clearly explained then IMO.

As for the production cost I agree and understand. Germany was on the backburner very early on. Shame though that the 190 wasn't produced earlier.

yep, got the signed edition of that book and it's an excellent read, but in hindsight it's easy to diss Galland.. as it happens Steinhilper had nowhere close the experience of Galland, who made it to the end of the war and played a vital role for the Luftwaffe despite the fat man dressed in white..

If you never read it, give a go to Galland's double autobiography, that's quite an eye opener too.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by BadAim

This is actually the one found in a Russian forest, I believe in the '90s. You can find some film on Youtube with a little searching. Real cool that this baby is flying!

yeah I remember that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jueDXiuU6aM

such a great thing to see it back!

Hopefully they'll restore the French FW replica, it was very very cool and looked so sexy in its livery!