Look at all the features

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Tanner

Existing IL2 Feature, Existing through 3rd parties.


I'll believe it when I play it.


A feature that will never be used by 99% of the playerbase if for no other reason than the bandwidth required to support 128 players simultaneously.


Several? That must be worth 50 bucks. Not really.


A degree of accuracy that will not matter to a super-majority of the playerbase while they are playing the game, especially those flying open cockpit with deduced reality settings. Good for wow factor, good for machinima, mostly irrelevant to gameplay.


After this many years of development, I would hope so; however, again flight model improvements will be undetectable or irrelevant to 99% of the playerbase.


Right, I would hope so after all this time; however, performance will be completely dependent of player hardware specs. A super-majority of the playerbase will never experience the "high-end" engine features of the game if they do indeed exist. Jaggies in screenshots weeks before game launch?

And how is any of your objections any different than when the original IL2 came out?

I've enjoyed BoB:WoV, but their damage model was non-existent. You never knew who, what, where, or when you were hit until your wing fell off. Were these critical hits? Were they glancing blows? Could you take one more swipe at the 111 before you disengaged? One would never know. Sure you heard the ping ping ping of ammo hitting your craft, but had no idea of what was being hit. You'd get a shudder, and then poof. Off goes your wing.

I won't make light of 50 bucks, but most X Box/PS3 games are 60 bucks. I KNOW I'll have CoD on my hard drive for years. It's not a lot of money in terms of time on my hard drive and the hours upon hours of enjoyment that I'll get from CoD. To me THAT's a bargain in today's economy.

The ONLY thing (now that I know a bit more about STEAM) that would ruin CoD for me is the AI. With complex engine management there shouldn't be any FM cheats that the AI use. I won't abide or support that. I think Oleg will have made many advances in AI.

But features? I'm willing to wait and see. I've seen and followed enough to know that I'll be satisfied (pending AI) to purchase in a NY minute.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by TacKY

Wait, what features?

What are the features in this game because they sure as hell arent releasing a list of features to us. While many of you "gamers" want to blindly purchase a game based on credentials, I, on the other hand, like to know what I will be getting in my games. Minute long videos of peaceful strolls in a WWII FLIGHT SIM isnt showing me features or telling what will be in the game.

Is there dynamic fire?
How is the damage system in game or if a bullet hits the plane will it leave marks on what it hits and not a preset texture?

The list goes on.

Most of what you are asking for has been answered in this very forum at various stages. I think there's even a thread listing with links to most of the updates so far, click that search button on the forum interface and have a go, you might be pleasantly surprised.

True, it would be better to have them in a readily available compiled list, but on the other hand probably 80% of the people here know the answers to most of these questions by far as evidenced by the amount of replies you got.

All you have to do is ask them nicely

Originally Posted by Tanner

Existing IL2 Feature, Existing through 3rd parties.


I'll believe it when I play it.


A feature that will never be used by 99% of the playerbase if for no other reason than the bandwidth required to support 128 players simultaneously.


Several? That must be worth 50 bucks. Not really.


A degree of accuracy that will not matter to a super-majority of the playerbase while they are playing the game, especially those flying open cockpit with deduced reality settings. Good for wow factor, good for machinima, mostly irrelevant to gameplay.


After this many years of development, I would hope so; however, again flight model improvements will be undetectable or irrelevant to 99% of the playerbase.


Right, I would hope so after all this time; however, performance will be completely dependent of player hardware specs. A super-majority of the playerbase will never experience the "high-end" engine features of the game if they do indeed exist. Jaggies in screenshots weeks before game launch?

I'm amazed at how easily you brush aside core aspects of simulating combat aircraft in favor of visual detail only. Posters and plastic models of aircraft look nice too but they don't give you a chance to catch a small glimpse of how they work. Do you want to use the available technology to look at them or get an idea of what it would feel like to fly them? I'm not being a smart-ass here, it's a genuine question.

If 99% of the community are not interested in flight and damage models then they are playing the wrong kind of game. It's their job to switch genres, not the 1%'s job that used to be the majority to approve of turning their game into easy mode by default and use the spare hardware resources to accommodate their taste, especially when they can perfectly well turn down the realism options and fly around in circles all day long if it pleases them.

What you describe is similar to a few thousand people suddenly turning up to a football match and trying to convince the long-time fans that fouls and offsides are stupid rules that interfere with the action, plus the players should probably be wearing something cooler instead of those stupid shorts and t-shirts that make them look like little boys, just because they currently happen to be the majority on the stands

[zauii]

Oleg and his team want perfection plus they're fans of aviation and ww2, i mean come on this is a simulator more than it is your regular pew pew game.
Many folks will appreciate when things are modeled as accurate as possible, including Oleg and his own team.. they do what they love.

A lot of those things you listed are coming our way as well my friend, improved GUI, Serverbrowsers, netcode, tools, support etc
but im grateful that we also get improved damage models , aerodynamics and so on, anything that can make it more realistic is welcome.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by Tanner

Meanwhile after years and years of development and missed launch dates, the playerbase for this game and games of this type have continued to shrink for the simple reason that the developers failed to update existing features and implement new features expected by the modern gamers.

So it's Maddox Games who are behind players moving away from flight sims and PCs in general towards simpler games and consoles? Interesting theory Still not sure what you're referring to with "new features expected by the modern gamers" - headshots? Bullettime? Achievements? DLC? Facebook spin-off games that earn you in-game items?

The games industry has passed this game by and lapped it many times over and Maddox Games is just now arriving at the start line after the race is already lost with a hobbled runner.

Like some other people here you seem to expect that this sim, unlike every single one before, has to excel in all possible areas, especially graphically, without any tradeoffs or compromises. I wonder where this is coming from, and why suddenly it is no longer acceptable that sims can't have the same visual fidelity as high-profile mainstream games. Seriously, what's changed since the days of EAW, WoV, Falcon or Il2? I don't get it...

[zauii]

Originally Posted by Tanner

Existing IL2 Feature, Existing through 3rd parties.

Ptja yeh, and so did map editors for duke nukem 3d, good thing we didn't stop evolution there.

Originally Posted by Tanner

I'll believe it when I play it.

We already know its true, when did you see a trailer featuring every single aspect of a game and have it explained in detail?, With your skepticism you won't get far in the world, requiring ridiculous evidence while you don't trust anyone.

Originally Posted by Tanner

A feature that will never be used by 99% of the playerbase if for no other reason than the bandwidth required to support 128 players simultaneously.

Wait you said what? hurr hurr, there goes your credibility.

Originally Posted by Tanner

Several? That must be worth 50 bucks. Not really.

Pardon me for not having the exact number my majesty.

Originally Posted by Tanner

A degree of accuracy that will not matter to a super-majority of the playerbase while they are playing the game, especially those flying open cockpit with deduced reality settings. Good for wow factor, good for machinima, mostly irrelevant to gameplay.

This is laughable, hard to Imagen you're even a flight sim enthusiast. It's a flight simulator not a frag simulator, you've plenty of games that should suit your needs, WOP should fit you perfectly with all its lack of depth and realism. No focus spent there on insane damage details and aerodynamics, or dedicated servers.. go fetch boy.

[Sauf]

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[David603]

Originally Posted by TacKY

Wait, what features?

What are the features in this game because they sure as hell arent releasing a list of features to us. While many of you "gamers" want to blindly purchase a game based on credentials, I, on the other hand, like to know what I will be getting in my games. Minute long videos of peaceful strolls in a WWII FLIGHT SIM isnt showing me features or telling what will be in the game.

Is there dynamic fire?
How is the damage system in game or if a bullet hits the plane will it leave marks on what it hits and not a preset texture?

The list goes on.

All your arguments in this thread are garbage. No one is forcing you to go out and buy this game day one. If you aren't clued up enough to follow the updates and learn what you are getting, then wait till the game comes out, watch the resulting hoard of user made youtube videos, read the journalist and player reviews and make up your own mind.

In the meanwhile, stop whining and expecting the devs to take time out from doing useful things to make videos explaining every minute detail.