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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 12-24-2011, 12:04 AM
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Cheesehawk,

Are you talking about development of a "dynamic war" type system for ClOD? Something akin to the old IL2-1946 Bellum code, or IL2 Wars, Southern Cross War etc.

What I mean is things like...

1. Persistent aircraft states - damage takes time to repair a given airplane, wear persists & increases from flight to flight, maintenance "repairs" wear. maybe maintentance rates could be related to number of workshops at airfield. Destroy workshops leads to reduced maintentance rate.

2. Peristent pilots - "same" AI pilot for a given plane. Same name, skill attributes increase with number of succcessful missions &/or number of kills, targets hit etc.

3. Moving front lines - based on outcome of missions & objectives achieved. Some script for moving front lines is already available.

4. Pilot replacement - Pehaps lost pilots can be replaced at a certain rate.

5. Plane replacement - Perhaps planes can be replaced at a certain rate, maybe related to the presence of aircraft factories. Destroy aircraft factories leads to reduce aircraft replacement rate.


Merry X-mas to all.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:05 AM
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So, no new planes for CLOD....in other words a bloody abandoning...
Come on Tvrdi, you really are the most negative guy I've seen for quite some time....even more so than Tree perhaps

Firstly, I don't remember any extra planes being promised for this title. I'd say what we have is more than adequate (for now).

CloD is not being abandoned at all. With the new sequel we will immediately have access to ALL the new functionality, objects and aircraft which will no doubt include the flyable Dornier etc. that would be nice to have.

Development is expensive and new funds must come from somewhere. The alternative is a still-born series and no hope for high fidelity WWII air combat for the foreseeable future. I know what I'd rather have.

Please get over this feeling of being wronged. The developers are trying hard to make the best of a bad situation and a successful outcome will benefit us all.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:06 AM
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I'm sorry, but our faith got lost during these 9 months in which we've got basically nothing.

any words on what is the "secret feature which was supposed to make all the competition go screaming"?!!
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:09 AM
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Well I'm feeling pretty positive about things and I really don't see where all the negativity is coming from.

Facts....

1. We are getting a sequel, and that is a very good thing. Let's not forget how much we NEED this sim to live on and develop...just like IL2. No one else is going to give us what we crave for with such exquisite detail.

2. CloD will continue to be patched and I'm sure some very nice improvements will arrive in short order.

3. CloD will be reborn when merged with the new title....all the new goodies will magically be available to us to use in the skies over the channel. That is fantastic news...although I didn't doubt that's the way it would be done.

4. The BoM release will be hugely popular with the home market and I'm sure many over here will snap it up too - lots of lovely ground pounding and hopefully vast areas to fly over due to the sparse object density. That's got to be a good thing for the series with a fresh cash injection to make it even better.


I really fail to see why so many are on such a downer? The game will improve and the future looks bright. Just look what they did with the sounds. Now imagine the same job applied to the graphics, FM, AI.......

What we paid for this is NOTHING, ZILCH, DIDDLY SQUAT....compared to what we willingly fork out for PC, joystick etc. Just look how much you can spend on TrackIR alone! Let's get this in perspective before ranting on like it's a defective 30 grand BMW.

Please, give the guys a break and start appreciating what we have and what they're trying to give us (if we let them). Support them. They really are on our side. I'm a programmer and I know how much blood and sweat you have to put into such complex software. It really is incredibly hard to produce something like CloD and with a community like ours it's a real thankless task.

As my favourite character would say...have a little faith baby, have a little faith.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:18 AM
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Well I'm feeling pretty positive about things and I really don't see where all the negativity is coming from.

Facts....

1. We are getting a sequel, and that is a very good thing. Let's not forget how much we NEED this sim to live on and develop...just like IL2. No one else is going to give us what we crave for with such exquisite detail.

2. CloD will continue to be patched and I'm sure some very nice improvements will arrive in short order.

3. CloD will be reborn when merged with the new title....all the new goodies will magically be available to us to use in the skies over the channel. That is fantastic news...although I didn't doubt that's the way it would be done.

4. The BoM release will be hugely popular with the home market and I'm sure many over here will snap it up too - lots of lovely ground pounding and hopefully vast areas to fly over due to the sparse object density. That's got to be a good thing for the series with a fresh cash injection to make it even better.


I really fail to see why so many are on such a downer? The game will improve and the future looks bright. Just look what they did with the sounds. Now imagine the same job applied to the graphics, FM, AI.......

What we paid for this is NOTHING, ZILCH, DIDDLY SQUAT....compared to what we willingly fork out for PC, joystick etc. Just look how much you can spend on TrackIR alone! Let's get this in perspective before ranting on like it's a defective 30 grand BMW.

Please, give the guys a break and start appreciating what we have and what they're trying to give us (if we let them). Support them. They really are on our side. I'm a programmer and I know how much blood and sweat you have to put into such complex software. It really is incredibly hard to produce something like CloD and with a community like ours it's a real thankless task.

As my favourite character would say...have a little faith baby, have a little faith.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:23 AM
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Its just a joke people, calm doon. Yet strangely, it has the ring of truth, as is oft the case. It's only a game, too. Merry Christmas one and all. Drive safely. Heed 'cats eyes'. Eat Mince pies. And be Jolly.

Cya in the new year.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:37 AM
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Luthier,

With utmost respect, I find your assertion that you were doing us a favor by continuing support for this game seven months after release quite insulting.

You could make this argument if the game worked anything like as promised on release, but we all know it did not.

I fear recent developments have done far too much damage to the brand of this developer for many of us to support you on your next promised venture.

Given the developer's recent track record I cannot find it in my heart to believe BOM will ever be released, nor that CloD will ever be fixed.

I hope I am wrong.

I hope you can work things out. But I remain deeply disappointed and disillusioned.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:49 AM
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Personally, I'd happily pay another £100 to have all the current AI 'planes flyable plus a Fairey Swordfish, together with the new graphics/engine, new sounds/engine, fully functioning comms, full weather systems, merchant shipping, a few Royal Navy battleships, cruisers, subs and destroyers, Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, Prince Eugen, Bismark and some U-boats. And of course all the FM's overhauled, AI included. Navigation and landing lights would be good also.

That would mean paying about £200 altogether for 'Storm of War - The Battle of Britain' (Ibought 2 CE's of 'Cliffs of Dover') and it'd be worth it. I think I'd be happy with that.

I don't feel like spending diddly-squat on BfM at the moment.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:57 AM
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Thanks Ilya and Team Have a Happy Holiday
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Old 12-24-2011, 01:13 AM
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Merry Christmas Luthier and team

Happy to hear your still working on COD and the sequel.
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