Friday 2010-10-15 Dev. update and Discussion

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by WhoCares

All these pictures would be, I´m sure, awesome three years ago but today they are normal, very nice but normal.Sorry but it´s a long time.

LMAO. What a mug.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by brando

Excuse me for rabbiting on. I'm over sixty and I have strong memories of the drabness that decades of coal use brought to the townscapes.

You don't have to be over sixty Brando! I remember it well. We didn't go 'smokeless' until the 70's. Many buildings still haven't been cleaned up.

I'm not sure if I'd want to see that kind of grime in a flight sim though, even if it did add 'realism'.
Having said that, the air pollution over cities would be a good addition.
Geoff Wellum called it 'Horrible, dirty yellow, curry-coloured smoggy smoke'.

Can't say I fancy the sound of what they passed off as curry back then though.

[peterwoods@supanet.com]

Well that's another two added to my ignore list. Some people will never be satisfied!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by winny

Theres another one (golf course) a little higer up the pic too.. maybe sandwich? but there's loads of courses out there..

I had a good look but it's not there. This a definitely not a complaint or problem to me, indeed I'm delighted that detail like this is even considered but technically there are far more courses now than there were in 1940. The sport was pretty exclusive back then and only really played by the wealthy and posh like Doug Badar . These courses were mostly built when many sports and clubs formed up, late 19c and early 20c. I'm not convinced that a course would ever get turned over to the plough in 1940 given the wealth and power of the memberships.

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by albx

well, 1 post and your nick also says all...

One hook thrown by a troll with a brand new nick and we bite like crazy. Just like he wants us to do.

But fantastic update! The terrain now looks superb from high up too, thanks for tuning that Oleg!

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

very nice !

and the icons are telling us that SoW:BoB will have a C-4 variant of the Bf110 , that means it has mineshell firing MG-FF/M canons

so the hopes for a 109E-4 are not dead

They shouldn't be however I hope that the mission builders finally see sense and limit the LW to 30% ish E-1, 20% ish E-3 and the rest E-4. Same goes for the Spitfire/Hurricane mix too.

Your shouldn't be able to communicate with your bombers either

[dduff442]

Originally Posted by brando

Thanks Oleg for a delightful update. Have a good weekend.

A couple of replies to the thread.

Tally ho is indeed a fox-hunting term, and was used by the pilots to indicate visual recognition of enemy aircraft, as in "Tally ho, bandits at ten o'clock low" or whatever. It wasn't, however, an order to attack. That came after recognition, and came from the squadron leader, flight leader or section leader, with detail on what form the attack would take.
A little research will reveal that the make-up of the pre-war RAF contained many officers from the 'hunting, shooting and fishing' set, so it's really not surprising that they used a fox-hunting term.

As for similarities in the buildings, that's just how it was. The great Victorian expansion brought a systematic use of identical houses and roofs, aided by the use of the railway to import the materials. A trainload of slates from the Welsh mountains would mean hundreds or even thousands of similarly-toned roofs, so, if anything, there is still a little too much variation of colour rather than too little. Likewise for a trainload of bricks - all from the same brickworks - this would mean streets and streets of identically coloured houses. Of course there may be the occasional burst of orange, where some kind of tile has been used on a few houses; and one might expect to see cement rendering on the walls of more 'quality' dwellings. Occasional buildings might even still be thatched, though rarely in a town, and Welsh slate was the most common roofing.

These facts tend to dictate the colours and shades I guess. Slate roofs are a glossy dark grey when wet, but dry to a pastel grey when dry. They are sheets of stone after all, unlike tiles which are made of clay.
The average brick is generally matt too, with only 'engineering grade' bricks having a semi-glazed surface. These were most commomly used for tunnel openings, bridgeworks and railway buildings. Even after rain they are generally matt in appearance as towns and cities tended to be.

The one part that is not particularly noticeable, and I have no idea how it may be achieved, is the overall pall of coal smoke that was general at the time. I guess it may be argued that the BoB took place in summer when coal-burning was at its lowest and that's fair. It is still important to remember the effect of 50 to 100 years of coal burning, which left it's mark on every building.
It's probably something that most people born after the mid-Sixties (in England) cannot recall at all. In the time of the war it was a big factor as far as overall colouration is concerned.

Excuse me for rabbiting on. I'm over sixty and I have strong memories of the drabness that decades of coal use brought to the townscapes.

These are great observations.

For years I thought Trinity College in Dublin was built of Limestone, until they cleaned the building -- a very painstaking and expensive chemical-leeching process so as not to destroy the stone. When the green-netted scaffolding came down I was astonished to see it was a very white granite.

dduff

[dduff442]

Originally Posted by Richie

I thought the landscape looked nicer about 3 - 4 months ago.

Mostly its the difference between dull weather (today's update) and sunny.

[FG28_Kodiak]

Originally Posted by Fafnir_6

Hello,

I believe the German equivalent of "Tally Ho" is "Horrido". This too is an old aristocratic hunting term and was used by Luftwaffe pilots in WWII in a similar fashion to British "Tally Ho". This said, I humbly request that the German speech pack be change to reflect this (if there is time).

From the Combatsim forums:

posted 12-12-2002 01:28 AM
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Horrido is a Latin word meaning frightful or frightening. Perhaps the Luftwaffe meant for it to mean "Fear me!" You know, in a Samuel L. Jackson Pulp Fiction sort of way.
Ah, but alas, I really don't know anything . . . found this in (of all places) the EAW newsgroup:


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Horrido is a hunting expresion used in [G]ermany. It is a greeting like "good afternoon or howdy...." and it is also used in letting someone live up (I think you don't say that in [E]nglish).... anyway , like the [E]nglish speaking say: "Hip hip" and the answer is "Hooray". German hunters say "Horrido" and the cro[w]d answers "Yo".

Fafnir_6

Horrido was the code for Abschuß (=Kill) in the Luftwaffe, for example "Pauke, Pauke" was the code for attack, "Indianer" was the code for enemy fighter, "dicke Autos" stands for 4mot. enemy Bombers etc.
It was forbidden to use other codes.

Page from Deckwortverzeichnis Jägersprechverkehr (German Luftwaffe Brevity Code Handbook):

[ChrisDNT]

"Simply you should understand that more visible at once _different_ objects on the ground - more power we need for calculation."


Of course, I know it, but I'm still playing IL-2 (even the latest maps, with settings just reduced a little) with an old Athlon3000 with only 1 giga of ram and an old Radeon 9700pro and the game still looks good and playable.

In the next months, I will have a pc which will be much more powerful (but not a "war machine", just a good current pc) and I think it's quite reasonable to expect that a 2011 game will, at least, support some more elements on it than its ten-years old, very good, predecessor.


P.S: note to the fanboys, I don't even read your posts, so no need to flak me, I'm totally indifferent to it.