Inaccurate performance data for BOB fighters in COD comparing to RL data

[TheGrunch]

Thanks for the info Viper...possibly a bit of a Chinese whispers effect going on there as to how the fuel was mixed, then.

[ivo]

Hi, where I can find on internet ''operation record book '' like 54° sq?

My bad, 54 Squadron. But I agree this could be an extreme case. My point was rather to illustrate that there would be considerable fuel requirement for non-combat sorties as well, which is usually not being taken into account.

[Kurfürst]

At http://www.oldrafrecords.com/, posted a few pages back in the topic.

[ivo]

Thanks a lot Kurfürst

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

+1
I don't care if my plane is porked,as long it is historically porked to 1940's standards!

Exactly. No screaming rubbish about bias to one flavour. I too am only interested in historical accuracy. What worries me is that in the long run the FM'S will get sodomised in oder to balance online dogfights. No, I want a planeset that performs as it did, even if it means I die a lot.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by csThor

The whole story of Emil versions is a total mess since aircraft were retrofitted and changed versions all the time. It was not unusual to have an aircraft delivered as E-1 being refitted as E-4 being refitted as E-7 being refitted as E-7/N. And of course it would only appear as E-1 in official production lists ...

I agree. There was no so much difference in E3-E7. In fact the only true variant could be the E3 with the options added on the field making it a E4 or E7 for historians. When factories added a particular kit it made it a E4/7 but those were more factory tunned.

Jus to add my 2 cents (speaking in € of course) the 601N eng was so only marginaly fitted to the 109 during the BoB that I can see its introduction in CoD just as an AI upgrade for unit commender (what it was in fact).

If anyone could infirm/confirm the following : the E3 Jabo unit might hve been the units lucky enough to get some of those engines.

Anyway dealing with the story of the DB601N, man hve to remind the political aspect of Nazi Germany at war and the influence of key individuals on any strategical assets. Note that this is exactly were the RAF beat the Nazi Luftwaffe and had much more success than France in the fight, not in the 200+lb Spitfire or Hurricane Mark XXX

[Peril]

Originally Posted by DC338

Lets look at consumption: 10,000 tons of 100 octane spirit used per month in june and august.

10,000 tons = 10,160,000 Kilograms of Spirit due imperial tons.

Hawker Hurricane fuel Capacity 441 L = Approx 320 kg of fuel (SG of 0.72) I used the hurri becasue it carries 60L more than Spitfire.

So 10,000 tons of would provide 31750 full tanks of fuel for a hurricane. That would account for 1040 full tanks per day for hurricane for the 61 days of june and august. Make your own mind up if it is enough. I think it is enough to provide all front line fighter squadrons involved with 100 octane.

Ya gota admit, you can't fail the mans logic here. I'm pro data but where the data is grey you use logic and this is logical.

Now, can 1C make a plane that matches the data intended, what ever that may be? It seems to me the CoD FM engine is running so buggy it's not possible to dial that accuracy in yet?

Let's wait and see what they are cooking right now. Luthier announced that they will do some plane performance adaptions and FM modifications in one of their next patches.

Currently I think the whole discussion on FM is a bit into the empty anyhow as we already know that the FM is wrong since RL ceilings can be reached by no a/c in game right now.

I don't adventure into guessing why even though I have some theories.

But I do appreciate the effort of actually collecting historical data. But if you do so please add the sources. This is vital if you want your data to have some credibility (no offence meant).

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Blue Scorpion

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Britain and the Commonwealth pilots at the Battle of Britain as seriously outnumbered as they were, 640 fighters facing 2600 Luftwaffe aircraft, where able to do what they did because of the relative performance of the machines involved, access to 100-octane fuel, combined with the advantage proffered by radar. Failure to portray the difference in performance is a huge disservice to everyone that was involved during that conflict regardless of the side they served.

This is totally BS. I can't believe to hve to read this.

The fact that two third of the Vics were scored by courageous pilots tht had to fight in the inferior Hurri prove this fact. Britain wons due to it's superior Strategical & tactical thinking, inspired personnels, luck (?) and the poor level of strategical thinking of the opposing Nazi leaders. In other word Britain in 1940 put the demonstration that a Democratic regime with some rationalized organisation could defeat the most militarized regime the world had ever seen.

This are facts written with gold and bloods in the history pages

I suggest you to read HurriVs109 a rather complete collection of Pilots account during BoB with fear, the lack of sleep, the chattering lead and the horrifics agonies of pilots roasted alive and the tiny cans of their aluminium cockpit. Those men deserve more respect than you silly phrasing suggesting that it was a piece of cake.

If you are lazy enough for not re-enacting the BoB in the way it was, there is some lower settings available for you.

[Peril]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

Let's wait and see what they are cooking right now. Luthier announced that they will do some plane performance adaptions and FM modifications in one of their next patches.

Currently I think the whole discussion on FM is a bit into the empty anyhow as we already know that the FM is wrong since RL ceilings can be reached by no a/c in game right now.

I don't adventure into guessing why even though I have some theories.

But I do appreciate the effort of actually collecting historical data. But if you do so please add the sources. This is vital if you want your data to have some credibility (no offence meant).

I got close in the latest patch, did not test before now so others will have to chime in with previous performance specs.

Latest Patch

Just climbed the latest patch Hurricane I with no CEM and managed to reach a ceiling of 30,000ft (RoC of 100 ftm) using 3000rpm.

Seems a little light on performance in climb test, data indicated rated climb was @ 2600rpm and was 400fpm @ 30kft. So whilst I did almost reach the RL ceiling I had to use more power ie. 3000rpm.

My data on the Hurricane is limited, looks like a rated max of ~32kft? seems to me like boost was a bit low generally, at higher rpm this should be higher alt rated, for others to resolve I guess.