Glitched P-51 compared to FW-190 and Spitfire

[MorgothNL]

AH... hate this .. I've been playing IL2-1946 for many years on the pc... and always hated the in game performance and the guns of the P-51..

Was really looking forward to the P-51 in this game... and now it is the same in this game

[Skii]

not suprised its b0rked - its a P-47 !

[Mr_Steven]

Kind of unfair comparing a P-51D to a Spitfire Mk. Vb. That particular Spitfire was produced in 1941, the P-51D not until 1944. I suggest finding the stats for a Mk. IX, or even a XIV considering when the Mustang was actually in combat. You just have to fly it high and fast, never over-committing to an enemy and absolutely never bleeding off your speed. It takes a lot of hours of practice, and a ton of patience, but it is a very rewarding aircraft to fly and succeed in once you've learned how. Fly it like you'd fly a P-38, never EVER turn fight with someone.

[fuzzychickens]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

AH... hate this .. I've been playing IL2-1946 for many years on the pc... and always hated the in game performance and the guns of the P-51..

Was really looking forward to the P-51 in this game... and now it is the same in this game

You are wrong - it's worse.

1. Go into 1946 and get the p51 up to 500kmh and turn as hard as you can.
2. Do the same in BOP

Notice anything? Yea, the highspeed turn performance in 1946 is not in BOP, it turns seemingly slower at high speed than it does in 1946.

This was modelled well in 1946, the high speed elevator authority was useful in combat. Not so in BOP.

Either the flight models are simplified in this game or max deflection in control surfaces was reduced, not sure which but something is fishy in ALL planes.

[David603]

Originally Posted by fuzzychickens

You are wrong - it's worse.

1. Go into 1946 and get the p51 up to 500kmh and turn as hard as you can.
2. Do the same in BOP

Notice anything? Yea, the highspeed turn performance in 1946 is not in BOP, it turns seemingly slower at high speed than it does in 1946.

This was modelled well in 1946, the high speed elevator authority was useful in combat. Not so in BOP.

Either the flight models are simplified in this game or max deflection in control surfaces was reduced, not sure which but something is fishy in ALL planes.

Are you flying with the Elevator sensitivity turned down? I agree it is almost essential for flying the P51 at low speeds but it takes the edge off your high speed turning abilities on planes that do have good high speed control responses.

[fuzzychickens]

Turn sensitivity up or down in this game, it doesn't affect MAX deflection, it just makes the response curve exponential instead of linear.

The MAX deflection is messed up in this game though, you can hardly stall a lot of planes in simulator modes that you could yank into a nasty stall in 1946 very easily.

Go into 1946 with 109G2 and pull max turn starting at 300kmh at the deck, see how long it takes to lose all your airspeed (or stall) even with WEP on. Eventually you will have to level out to avoid hitting the ground.

In BOP, your plane will maintain 300 and even accellerate to 330-340 with WEP on and MAX flat turn.

Something is "off" in this game -either maximum deflection is reduced or flight model has been messed with.

EDIT: nevermind, it seems max deflection goes up with sens. That makes no sense, it should be exponential with same max deflect - this should be fixed. Pretty annoying to just find that out.

[David603]

Originally Posted by fuzzychickens

.EDIT: nevermind, it seems max deflection goes up with sens. That makes no sense, it should be exponential with same max deflect - this should be fixed. Pretty annoying to just find that out.

Yeah, changes to sensitivity have the effect of expanding or reducing the whole response curve, so if you turn down the sensitivity you lose a chunk of the achievable control surface deflection because the control stick doesn't cover the whole range of control movements anymore.