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Originally Posted by redtiger02

OK, that's not entirely correct based on the latest FARs. If the 310 is operating for hire, as in photo work, the SIC can be logged because it requires a 2 man operating crew, you can log SIC but not PIC. SIC on a normal flight is at discrection. If you hold a multi rating and share the flying duties then it's between you and the PIC who logs what time in what role.

I agree with you partially. Technically part 61.55 does state that "a person may serve as a second in command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second in command pilot flight crewmember."

Keep in mind that the operations requirement states PILOT flight crewmember. Your photographer would not count as a required pilot flight crewmember because a non-pilot can perform those duties. The guy flying the airplane would log PIC time, not SIC time. The plane still only requires one pilot to fly. Keep in mind that if at any time the pilot allows you to be the "sole manipulator of the controls," then you are logging PIC time if you are qualified in that aircraft (61.51(e)(1)(i).

Also, it is not at the discretion of the two pilots if the plane does not require the second crewmember or the operation does not specifically call for a second in command pilot. If that were so, I could log second in command any time I flew in a Cessna 182 with my buddies. The plane must require the second crewmember, or, if the operations require the second pilot, they must be approved by the FAA.

I agree, the reg is long and poorly worded (like most of the FARs) but always stay on the conservative side. You might have a hard time convincing the feds that you needed to be logging SIC time in a C-310.

In addition, the definition of SIC pilot qualifications changes based on what part of the 14 CFRs you are operating under (part 121, 61, or part 135).

I really do not want to get into a debate over the FARs, however. My point is still the same in either case. He still must have at least a private pilot certificate (or commercial based on which part he is operating under), and be current and certified in the appropriate category and class (and type if a type rating is required).

Also, only one person at a time can log pic time unless one them is a current and qualified flight instructor actively giving instruction.

Also, Kamak86, I appologize for digressing too much from your original topic. Just yell at me if I start to go off .