Oleg Maddox's Room #2 QUESTIONS & REQUESTS TO OLEG ABOUT BOB SOW

[zakkandrachoff]

I hope some genius computer people do a Emulator for Birds of Prey for PC !

these graphics are awesome!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AhV8wo4ZIg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX77tZxJGIc&NR=1

[klem]

Maybe a bit late to come back on the .303 posts a few back but it was mostly Ball ammunition with, later, De-Wilde mixed in to give a 'splotch' when it hit to confirm aim.

It was hard to down the bombers but could be done - remember the Spits and Hurris had 8 x .303s and the Hurri MkII had 12.

Of course what isn't modelled in IL-2 is the pilots will to stay alive and bug out as soon as he got an engine/oil/fuel hit. 109s would have to run immediately as they were badly short on fuel and the bombers also had a long way to go home with a smoking engine.

Oleg better not invent unrealistic weapon loadouts for these a/c or at least I hope map-makers won't put cannon armed spits into the actual BoB scenarios. The few squadrons that first flew with them had many cannon problems and few were used in the Battle, the first squadrons reverting to .303s until the bugs were ironed out.

It was tough. Suck it and see.

56RAF_klem

[ALien_12]

There were NO Hurricanes with 12 .303 guns DURING THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN (I mean until October 1940). There were only Mk.Ias and Mk.IIas. Mk.IIbs (the version with 12 guns) was released on early 1941 I believe. But NOT during the hardest stage of battle of Britain.

[nearmiss]

I like fast prop planes, lot's of firepower, exciting explosions,etc.

The .303s = boring

Chasing an HE111, emptying my guns and him still flying. Just won't cut it.

Yeah, I know I heard the music about getting close enough to see the whites of their eyes. All that means is having to spend alot more time flitting around the enemy, repositioning for each pass and hoping you get the little pee-shooter bullets into the right places.

I'm definitely not excited about full-real firepower and loadouts for the BOB.

Hopefully, Oleg will move us along quickly to other time periods with the great new physics, graphics, etc. of BOB SOW.

[Skoshi Tiger]

To help out the movie makers in our community, How about having a set of monochrome background and sky textures, to help out with chroma-keying? Could be selected by use of a config file setting?

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

The .303s = boring

Boring maybe but they did actually help win the battle. And think of the Challenge of trying to defeat one of the worlds (at that time) most advanced fighter aircraft with a cartridge that was originally introduced in 1889 with a BlackPowder propellant!

I hope they do have the cannon armed spitfires as well but with a historically accurate reliability and accurate handling when one of the cannons does jam.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

Boring maybe but they did actually help win the battle. And think of the Challenge of trying to defeat one of the worlds (at that time) most advanced fighter aircraft with a cartridge that was originally introduced in 1889 with a BlackPowder propellant!

I believe the De Wilde round was in general use in the BoB. I don't know what the belting was, I thought it was 100% De Wilde? or tracer De Wilde mixed with non-tracer De Wilde? The De Wilde round was incendiary I am pretty sure.

I'm sure some exclusively Luftwaffe fliers would prefer the RAF equipped with 4.5 mm air rifles as sandblasters to polish their paint, but that's no more realistic than fitting Spitfires with 20x 20mm cannon.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

I believe the De Wilde round was in general use in the BoB. I don't know what the belting was, I thought it was 100% De Wilde? or tracer De Wilde mixed with non-tracer De Wilde? The De Wilde round was incendiary I am pretty sure.

I'm sure some exclusively Luftwaffe fliers would prefer the RAF equipped with 4.5 mm air rifles as sandblasters to polish their paint, but that's no more realistic than fitting Spitfires with 20x 20mm cannon.

I'm sure they would have .

I was actually trying to stick up for the .303 round. If your doing a Battle of Britain simulation it's what the british had.

I was just trying to point out that the .303 round had quite a histoy. There is a bit of an article about the ammunition used during the Battle of Britain at http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/BoB.htm.

Concerning the the Hispano cannons. They were apart of the Battle of Britain and they suffered from so many developmental issues that the pilots reverted back to the .303's. You're right they did not play a significant part in the Battle, but they were there. Even if they were present in a Cameo role as AI I'ld be happy.

If if was a choice between a Do17 and cannon armmed spitfires I'ld go for the Dornier any day.

Cheers!