Suggesting to devs

[Jasta 6]

Originally Posted by David603

Yes, if the host could cherry pick planes to remove from the match he might just take out all the good planes on one side.

Well, i suppose that too, but i was thinking more along the lines of my experience with other games like MGO, where the host has complete control over what weapons are used. Say for instance a particular weapon is very popular and allows the user to achieve positive results seemingly effortlessly. The host finds this weapon annoying and so out it goes. While i will agree that its annoying if this weapon is used by everybody in the match, i don't think it should be cut completely because i think its equally if not more important to learn said weapon's weaknesses as well as its strengths, so that you know how to deal with the enemy wielding it.

[Danny M NL]

First of all I'd like to say thank you to Anton and the dev team for listening to the community and trying to implement changes suggested to them, not many developers take this much trouble to please the crowd these days

My suggestion:

I know that Swastika's were removed from the game because they are illegal to be displayed in public in france and germany, but I believe this rule does not apply when they are placed for historical accuracy, and as long as they are not shown in public. I know this is a sensitive matter, and that it might be a pain in the behind to have them in the game, but it just feels strange seeing a german plane with a black square instead of a swastika on the tail ( I'm all for historical accuracy).

maybe the game can be coded in a way where the game checks the language of the console, and if it's german or french the textures which contain swastikas get swapped for textures without swastikas? ( I am aware of the fact that there are several countries that speak german, and also several countries that speak french, but even if these few countries get left out, the rest of the world can play a historically accurate, uncensored game)
or an option where the player can turn offensive content like swastika's on/off, where the player can decide if swastikas are displayed ingame or swapped for balkenkreuzen.

but this would probably still piss off the german censor board, and will cause a heap of extra work for you guys...

I had a ton of other suggestions, but they have already been posted, so there's no need to post them again

and to the people who say they don't want to read several pages of suggestions before posting their own: do you think you're too important to read pages before posting? Apparantly you think the developer has endless amounts of time to read the same suggestion 10 times over, and apparently he's less important than you because he has to do all the reading and you don't? Use your damn brain!

[H Lecter]

Originally Posted by Danny M NL

...Swastikas...

It's kind of strange that in movies it is allowed but in computer games it is not allowed to show them. Probably it would be allowed but I guess it would cause additional efforts by the publisher's legal department, generating unjustifiable costs and still bearing a potential of losing certain markets.

I'd rather live without total historical accuracy than having the best game of 2009 seized by the legal authorities...

[trk29]

I wonder how call of duty WAW gets away with having them in game.

[H Lecter]

Originally Posted by trk29

I wonder how call of duty WAW gets away with having them in game.

Do they? At least the German version is cut afaik.

I suppose they could have them for the UK/US version in IL-2 as well. Maybe they even have them and the demo was just the 'worldwide law compatible version'.

If I could choose between cockpits and swastikas for german planes, I'd take cockpits any day...

[trk29]

Originally Posted by H Lecter

Do they? At least the German version is cut afaik.

I suppose they could have them for the UK/US version in IL-2 as well. Maybe they even have them and the demo was just the 'worldwide law compatible version'.

If I could choose between cockpits and swastikas for german planes, I'd take cockpits any day...

I noticed the new preview for map pack 3 had them displayed in huge detail.

[xNikex]

Originally Posted by trk29

I noticed the new preview for map pack 3 had them displayed in huge detail.

I thought about that too, but when I looked at some(not all, so I don't know for sure), they seemed to be slightly distorted or in a way where it's techinically not an 'actual' swastika. I've also heard it's because they are turned a couple of degrees to where they wouldn't match up with real ones.

I could be wrong though, as I don't play it.

BTW, let's keep this thread on topic. There is a thread on this subject I believe.

[Anton Yudintsev]

Originally Posted by Danny M NL

I know that Swastika's were removed from the game because they are illegal to be displayed in public in france and germany, but I believe this rule does not apply when they are placed for historical accuracy, and as long as they are not shown in public.

No, you wrong.
It can't be displayed in all fiction media (game certainly is).
So, we had to remove it even from video-chronicles.

[juz1]

Not so much an dev issue put publicity....

Certainly in the UK getting the product visible around Battle of Britain Day might spur alot of mature gamers to double take...even get a publicity stunt going with a BOB pilot having a quick go with a Hori and a nice big plasma..

just trying to think out of the box because this game seems invisible to many..

as for swatikas...the black cross is fine...if the swatika was there it would be someting else to aim at...(hey "Swatika Nailer" bonus in arcade )
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[Porcho]

Originally Posted by Anton Yudintsev

No, you wrong.
It can't be displayed in all fiction media (game certainly is).
So, we had to remove it even from video-chronicles.

Wait, what?! Really.. since when is this? I have played recent video games, example, Call of Duty: World at War, and there's Swastikas all over the place.. nobody got in trouble for that. And as long as I can remember, every WWII game I played, had Swastikas in it.

Please, Anton, don't get the impression that I'm angry, because I'm not.. I just think its stupid if you were forced to take them out because people thought it was inappropriate for the game when its based during WWII and shooting down the Germans.

[Edit]: Sorry, I misunderstood the situation, however, I still have a question, in the copies sold to North America, will there be swastikas in the game? Not really important, just curious.