oleg, you better hurry, RoF is releasing a ww-2 sim next

[nearmiss]

ROF a threat? A threat to what?

Those little slow planes with the rat-a-tat-tat-tat machine guns looping around like flys in the sky. It is an Online game only as well.

No threat... That sim can't keep the interest of an 11 year old for long.

Whereas you can put an 11 year olds in front of a computer playing IL2 1946 version 4.08 and they'll play it for weeks. I've done that. The funny part is the 11 year olds found items of interest in the sim that just kept them coming back for more. Folding the wings on takeoff, flying in the different gunner positions, wingtip smoke with video replays, flying AI and just watching the whole battle unfold.

It was amusing to see all the things they could find to do with it and just love it.

[virre89]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

ROF a threat? A threat to what?

Those little slow planes with the rat-a-tat-tat-tat machine guns looping around like flys in the sky. It is an Online game only as well.

No threat... That sim can't keep the interest of an 11 year old for long.

Whereas you can put an 11 year olds in front of a computer playing IL2 1946 version 4.08 and they'll play it for weeks. I've done that. The funny part is the 11 year olds found items of interest in the sim that just kept them coming back for more. Folding the wings on takeoff, flying in the different gunner positions, wingtip smoke with video replays, flying AI and just watching the whole battle unfold.

It was amusing to see all the things they could find to do with it and just love it.

A true fanboy speaking , is this some kinda cult or something.. I mean you do make it sound like IL2 is your religion jeez? Ah yeh forgot i am at the 1c forums where all the locked up fanboys live. Wanna join me in the sun some or is it too bright. Seriously go outside and enjoy life ?

No?
ok let's bash RoF some more then seeing as you're still waiting and waiting and have nothing better to do but bash products that doesn't suit your 1980s offline module or the so called perfectionism of BoB .. "the game we haven't even seen in motion yet, and updates every 6th months"

Still dont wanna go outside?
no?

Ok let's worship Il2 some more and make up the most idiotic stories ever heard.

How about that 11 year kids story? I think I've never heard a more desperate approach in trying to make something look stupid, i think theres enough examples in IL2 alone where people leave b4 they even get up in the air, not because its a bad product but because they ain't flight simmers or they just hate ww2.. or simply they didn't like the game. (Oh yeh everyone loves it? In your world maybe.. take a look outside the 1c/ubi boards sometime for the love of god, you'd be making both you and me a favor)

On a seriously level, i don't really understand why people here are so desperate to look down on RoF and keep promoting IL2 and BoB, it's not like ROF is trying to compete with either of them. Just accept the fact that another flight simulator is establishing itself at this very small market and be grateful for the people it brings into the genre.

Anyway here is why i bought em both , similar reasons..

My reasons for buying IL2 Series Was:
- Graphics
- Physics
- WW2
- Multiplayer

My Reasons for buying RoF series Is:
- Graphics
- Physics
- Aerodynamics
- WW1
- Multiplayer

No game is perfect.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by virre89

Anyway here is why i bought em both , similar reasons..

My reasons for buying IL2 Series Was:
- Graphics
- Physics
- WW2
- Multiplayer

My Reasons for buying RoF series Is:
- Graphics
- Physics
- Aerodynamics
- WW1
- Multiplayer

I like the tone of your article, its got just the right tone in sarcasim...
But back on topic here, I have nothing against ROF. Neither their flight model or financial model. I do however have an issue with what they are offering for the price. If they are going to sell add-in's then the base product should be a lot cheaper for what you get. If you read their early blogs they promised a lot including a movie builder, persistant universe. As far as I have seen the game has shipped without a lot of these key components. I also fly for an online squadron and looked forward to ROF, but co-op, massive online maps just are not there.
I have seen screenshots of weather effects so I am assuming posters that say you only get bright sunny days are wrong, but then with so much else missing from what was promised one has to ask will we have to pay for the weather too?
Just pulling your leg on that one, frankly I will judge the rest when I fly it which I hope is in the next week or two.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

I like the tone of your article, its got just the right tone in sarcasim...
But back on topic here, I have nothing against ROF. Neither their flight model or financial model. I do however have an issue with what they are offering for the price. If they are going to sell add-in's then the base product should be a lot cheaper for what you get. If you read their early blogs they promised a lot including a movie builder, persistant universe. As far as I have seen the game has shipped without a lot of these key components. I also fly for an online squadron and looked forward to ROF, but co-op, massive online maps just are not there.
I have seen screenshots of weather effects so I am assuming posters that say you only get bright sunny days are wrong, but then with so much else missing from what was promised one has to ask will we have to pay for the weather too?
Just pulling your leg on that one, frankly I will judge the rest when I fly it which I hope is in the next week or two.

My thoughts exactly. At least for my personal taste, there's too many restrictions and an awful lot of things lacking to justify a full-game price. I'll get the demo when its released and see if the experience is good enough to warrant a purchase at its current half-finished state, otherwise i'll just wait for a few months until prices drop.

The original IL2 was limited and had its issues, just like RoF or any other new title for that matter. However, let's make an important distinction here that most people seem to miss or conveniently "forget". IL2 had most of what you needed to recreate the theater of war in question. RoF doesn't really have it.

Maybe we didn't have a flyable Stuka in the original IL2, but we still had an AI Stuka. RoF however doesn't have an AI Pfalz or AI Sopwith Pup/Camel and Se5a. It's not so much that it lacks flyables, it lacks AI aircraft too, important ones that had a big impact during the targeted timeframe.

It's a matter of branding and delivering what the title says. There are flight sims and there are combat flight sims. When i get a combat flight sim that has a "1917" subtitle, i expect to see the 1917 air war, not two flyable planes and half a dozen AI ones that make up a small percentage of the total. If you can't recreate the theater in question in an adequate manner, it's not a combat flight sim anymore, but a flight sim of an airshow with a handful of WWI planes.

No amount of FM/DM perfection or eye candy can change that, so until they add at least some more AI aircraft i will say it's incomplete. Of course, that's my personal opinion and others are free to judge differently and buy it. It's ok with me really as both sides will be happy in the end. They will get more hours of flying RoF and i will get a finished product thanks to them financing and beta testing it through its baby steps.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by virre89

A true fanboy speaking , is this some kinda cult or something.. I mean you do make it sound like IL2 is your religion jeez? Ah yeh forgot i am at the 1c forums where all the locked up fanboys live. Wanna join me in the sun some or is it too bright. Seriously go outside and enjoy life ?

No?
ok let's bash RoF some more then seeing as you're still waiting and waiting and have nothing better to do but bash products that doesn't suit your 1980s offline module or the so called perfectionism of BoB .. "the game we haven't even seen in motion yet, and updates every 6th months"

Still dont wanna go outside?
no?

Ok let's worship Il2 some more and make up the most idiotic stories ever heard.

How about that 11 year kids story? I think I've never heard a more desperate approach in trying to make something look stupid, i think theres enough examples in IL2 alone where people leave b4 they even get up in the air, not because its a bad product but because they ain't flight simmers or they just hate ww2.. or simply they didn't like the game. (Oh yeh everyone loves it? In your world maybe.. take a look outside the 1c/ubi boards sometime for the love of god, you'd be making both you and me a favor)

On a seriously level, i don't really understand why people here are so desperate to look down on RoF and keep promoting IL2 and BoB, it's not like ROF is trying to compete with either of them. Just accept the fact that another flight simulator is establishing itself at this very small market and be grateful for the people it brings into the genre.

Anyway here is why i bought em both , similar reasons..

My reasons for buying IL2 Series Was:
- Graphics
- Physics
- WW2
- Multiplayer

My Reasons for buying RoF series Is:
- Graphics
- Physics
- Aerodynamics
- WW1
- Multiplayer

No game is perfect.

This is the IL2 forums, what do you expect?

SimHQ has a bunch different flight sims in their forums. You can share your joy of ROF there with like minded people. If you go to the iL2 boards there you'll probably get some more of the noise you don't want to hear.

[ElAurens]

I don't know anyone who has paid $45 for RoF.

I know I didn't, and I got free shipping as well.

Some of you guys need to get a life.

Really.

[Chivas]

zapatista

ROF will be the next benchmark combat flight sim and at 39 bucks plus a few dollars for updates, its a steal. I'm sure I payed atleast 70 dollars Canadian for the first addition of IL-2 and it totalled alot more when you added all the later additions of the series. What we pay for Combat flight sims software is like stealing in my opinion.

SOW will be the new benchmark combat flight sim when its released in a year or two. ROF will go thru many years of updates before they can even think about building a WW2 sim on the ROF engine.

I'm sure the SOW developers are having considerable headaches putting
all the detailed terrain, hundreds of aircraft, advanced Weather Systems, FM's, DM's, and AI with playable frame rates. SOW could have been released a couple of years ago if they wanted the detail that ROF provides, but they are working on something they hope to be more advanced and cinematic.

ROF will do well to stick with WW1 combat flight sims for awhile until they refine their new ROF engine. They certainly seem to have the drive and talent to be a player in the combat flight sim genre for years to come. I know I'm looking forward to buying their products.