Warrior on impossible is easiest at least timewise with different playing style

[Ish]

Originally Posted by Keneth

There's nothing a warrior can do that a mage couldn't, and mages get an additional spell per turn so the only thing you've proven is that you weren't able to use a mage to its full potential and then used all the experience you've gathered in previous runs to play a warrior. If you had enough time to write all that you should spend some of it on your English.

Right.. nice smart ass comment at the end, well done.

I think he just demonstrated how to play a warrior quite well

[tjoepee]

Originally Posted by Ish

Right.. nice smart ass comment at the end, well done.

I think he just demonstrated how to play a warrior quite well

thanks, i think the other guy should try kill impossible random stacks or heroes with +5 levels with ur mage army under 5 turns. He has no clue for example what 20 giants with pimped up attack can do with their earthquake.

u can equip king' s hammer, battle axe, mithril shield and if u are lucky you can even find 2 battle axes or swap for dragon slayer. I took the mithril shield instead of the runes which I usually do.

Use telescope with the 2 special dwarfs armor and ur cannoneers can even take out pesky black dragons with one shot.

Only bad thing and annoying using cannoneer and gaints are that u need to surpress the king' s hammer every 5 battle or so. The gremlin towers has 12k hp so it' s kinda annoying battle.

[Keneth]

lol, he demonstrated how to play any class, the only advantage a warrior has is that he has slightly more leadership and that his spirits level marginally faster. I wasn't trying to diss his game tactics as they are all sound, just his statement of the difference in class efficiency.

[tjoepee]

well I guess u didn' t played with warrior?
With warrior u have stack of 24 giants with the ld downgrades.
U giants do 2600hp damage vs ground units.
Some battles have 10 units, this means 24k damage similiar to crits of sprites/thorns etc

With mage ur 14/15 or 16? giants do 1200hp damage vs ground units. This means 12k damage. Warrior isn' t the same try play it under 25 hours with warrior it isn' t necessary to do the poison/magic spring res/sac for 20 turns strat. I think I never passed 10 turns with the fight vs neoka as longest. Timewise warrior beats mage, even when the mage is extremely lucky with items.

Though I agree mage is easier in a way that every can finish impossible with mage after learning the exploits of the mage, but if u exploits the units bonuses warriors becomes easier. My first time was paladin on normal then mage on hard and finally warrior impossible. I find warrior on impossible was easier than mage on hard once i start abusing the units.

If you are really smart u give priority to the night and undead commander skills. This make games for 35% easier.

Oh and I am sorry for my english. It is my fifth language and I think it' s okay for being fifth language, don' t u agree?

btw warrior ld is not same as mage. It' s like warrior ld is euros and mage ld is dollars for the obvious reasons. In fact if you do all the maths I think roughly warrior ld is +200% of mage in absolute meanings.

[Keneth]

Well that's just ridiculous, you can just as easily build up your attack with a mage instead of intelligence, sure there's less shrines on the map but the majority of your stat points come from items anyway. And the difference in leadership isn't that huge either, maybe 20% at best which you can easily make up for with an additional spell on the first round. And there's nothing stopping you from getting nighttime operations and dark commander skills with a mage either, it's gonna take longer due to slower might rune gain but you'll get more than enough of them to get anything from the might tree just like a warrior gets enough of magic runes to build up his magic tree. Not to mention that night only lasts for what? 6 hours? And dark commander only works on undead which are nice but not quite as readily available if you get a bad random seed.

And yes, I have played a warrior, a lot more than I have played with a mage. Also, there's no such thing as English as a 5th language unless you live in a rainforest and there's no english speakers within a 100 mile radius. Either that or you for some reason found it more prudent to learn 3 other languages before you bothered learning English, which is somewhat silly considering that English, next to Spanish, is the most spoken language in the world.

Oh, or you live on Balkan and you count Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian as 3 separate languages, in which case no cake for you as they're all the same.

[tjoepee]

Originally Posted by Keneth

Oh, or you live on Balkan and you count Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian as 3 separate languages, in which case no cake for you as they're all the same.

this says enough what amount of knowledge you gathered before making assumptions/conclusions.

google switzerland and if you are not native swiss english is automaticly fifth language and comparing our language systems with all respect to balkan..... no comment.

if you don' t understand warrior ld>mage ld well..... maybe someone else can explain you. What you are saying is that if i have 120 euros and u have 100 dollars difference is 20 dollars. Too bad 1 euros is worth more turkish dollars then us dollars.

You have no clue also how many might runes u need to max out the might tree. U need more mights runes to max out all the skills then vice versa with the magic. As warrior almost every skills is very useable in the might tree and u only need few magic skills too fully benefit from the magic skills. As a mage you need all the might skills too fully benefit the warrior skills. And u prolly dont end needing every mage skills anyway. Alchemy is basicly worthless so is paladin runic stone skills u can abuse the dwarf and infinite money anyway this makes the warrior the only one with 2 unique skills.

Why do u think normally in rpg warrior is mainly a tank and damage dealer with no magic at all? IMHO once u gets to know and understand the game and fullly exploits everything warrior finish game fastest absolute timewise.

[Keneth]

Haha, Switzerland, no language of their own per se so they decided to speak a different one in every part of the country. Also, slavic languages are in most cases more complex than italic or germanic ones so you should feel honored by the comparison.

Also I don't see what you mean by the value of leadership, leadership is a static value that limits the ammount of troops you can have proportional to the troops' leeadership requirement. Leadership requirements are identical for all three classes, hence the value of leadership is identical for all three classes.

And the Might tree is just as useful as the Magic tree, of course moreso if you play a warrior but the same goes for playing a mage. You have more than enough runes to max out everything you need, as well as what you don't need.

[Lari]

Having played both, i should admit that from my point of view, tjoepee is right to say that the warrior is stronger -timewise- . Overall there is no big difference, but from my esperience, it took considerably less (maybe 20%) to use the exploit for the warrior, than the exploit for the mage. Focusing first on the might tree and having a second weapon slot avaible right from the start, made the difference for me. Mage is not gimp, it just take a little more time to develop his true strenght (you can do incredible things with 2 spells per turn, even if u don't use chaos at all).

[tjoepee]

[QUOTE=Keneth;60512]B]identical[/B] for all three classes, hence the value of leadership is identical for all three classes.
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So what u are saying is europe use euros, america uses dollars and china yuan. They are all money so the value is identical?
Your warrior knights has always higher attack no matter what u do or if ur mage playing like warrior. That' s impossible u don' t get offered attack as much as warrior and u don' t find the attack bonus on the map as much as possible and u can' t equip 4 weapons. Thus the ld of warrior has more value than the othes classes imho.

Not to mention playing mage as a warrior u totally screw up ur mage. Having higher attack screwing ur intelect is not worth with the mage.
For fun I pimped up my warrior to intelect 41, if u watch the screen shots I didn' t have the best of the best weapons also.
Thus making the warrior and mage difference only the high magic the warrior can have same amount of intelect I believe with still much higher attack and LD.

Iron Fist just kick ass!