Mossie speed

[robtek]

@ buzzsaw

I, for my part find it really amazing how poor your position must seem to you to introduce such polemic sentences in this, until then, fairly objektive thread:

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

.......I see, you want to exclude all rare versions of British aircraft, but its ok to have 109K4 -C3 which only saw service in single Staffel, (approx. 9 aircraft) as experimental aircraft. Or TA-152H, or any number of other German aircraft which are in the game which are very rare or total fantasies. Double standards anyone?.......

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Amazing how German fanatics insist on one standard for their 'uber' planes, but another for Allied aircraft.
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[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by robtek

@ buzzsaw

I, for my part find it really amazing how poor your position must seem to you to introduce such polemic sentences in this, until then, fairly objektive thread:

So it seems you see no problem in having the latest, best possible models of German aircraft modelled in IL-2, and only the earliest, poorest performing Allied?

If that is the case, then YOUR objectivity is clearly in doubt.

No doubt you'd be full of outrage if IL-2 only had the 1942 FW-190A4, but it seems when it comes to the Mosquito, you're happy with the game only having a 1942 version?

As far as how 'poor' my position is, I would suggest you actually look at the historical documents presented, and compare the figures in those documents to the performance of IL-2 aircraft, and the claims of some of the posters here before you start your accusations.

Then you'd understand that in fact the responses to this thread were far from being objective, in fact there was a lot of false information being purveyed to a fair question about the Mosquito's performance by the thread originator. The suggestion was the Mosquito had no speed advantage, when in fact, it did at a lot of altitudes, especially when facing only prop driven Nightfighter opposition.

[41Sqn_Banks]

The obvious reason why we do not have a NF mark of the Mosquito in the game is that the game doesn't simulate night bomber/fighter operations.

The Mosquito FB VI is of course the right choice for the game as it perfectly fits into the tactical environment it simulates and it was used in large numbers. Crying for any other version - especially a NF - is as stupid as crying for a flyable Lancaster, flyable B-17 or flyable Bf 110 night fighter. Even a flyable Mosquito B IV wouldn't be useful as there is no map for it.

What's left is a possible discussion about the performance of the Mosquito FB VI we have in the game.
IMHO this is a very good report about the relative performance of it: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...I-tactical.pdf
That trials could have been made with the game, couldn't they

The only question is whether our Mosquito has a Merlin 21 or Merlin 23 (which would boost the performance a bit).

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

The obvious reason why we do not have a NF mark of the Mosquito in the game is that the game doesn't simulate night bomber/fighter operations.

The Mosquito FB VI is of course the right choice for the game as it perfectly fits into the tactical environment it simulates and it was used in large numbers. Crying for any other version - especially a NF - is as stupid as crying for a flyable Lancaster, flyable B-17 or flyable Bf 110 night fighter. Even a flyable Mosquito B IV wouldn't be useful as there is no map for it.

What's left is a possible discussion about the performance of the Mosquito FB VI we have in the game.
IMHO this is a very good report about the relative performance of it: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...I-tactical.pdf
That trials could have been made with the game, couldn't they

The only question is whether our Mosquito has a Merlin 21 or Merlin 23 (which would boost the performance a bit).

Wow, all the issues with just one plane
Honestly we all know there will be NO improvements to the planes in IL2 as Oleg has repeatedly stressed.
However looking forward to SOW BoB and the many varrients yet to be announced I do not see why we will not have flyable B17's, Lancasters and nightfighters

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

The Mosquito FB VI is of course the right choice for the game as it perfectly fits into the tactical environment it simulates and it was used in large numbers.

Only if you restrict your flying to 1942. If you want a scenario set anytime else, you are out of luck.

Boost levels were increased as the war went on, by the end, the Mk VI was using +25 boost.

Where is that version???

There is a test of a +25 boost FB VI on the Mosquito page, which shows that even when fitted with external drop tanks, it is FAR faster at low and medium alts than the version we have in game.



Yes, there won't be any new aircraft added (by Oleg) in the game, but that doesn't mean people need to stick their heads on the sand and pretend we have a Mosquito which performs up to the level the actual aircraft could.

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

Only if you restrict your flying to 1942. If you want a scenario set anytime else, you are out of luck.

You shouldn't give to much on the label within the game, the FB VI is more a "Early 43" a/c and can be used well within 1944 until the introduction of the MW-50 boosted Luftwaffen fighters (Mid to Late 44). This timeframe fits perfect to the Normandy map.

Boost levels were increased as the war went on, by the end, the Mk VI was using +25 boost.

Where is that version???

Like with the other fighters +25 lbs. was introduced to intercept the V-1 and the use within 2nd TAF didn't start before the end of the Normandy campaign. (see: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...rade-fuel.html)

Sure for a 45 scenario a later +25 lbs FB VI would be needed and for a 44 scenario a little boosted (Merlin 23/25) FB VI would be nice but if you limit the planeset to common types (e.g. Bf 109 G-6 in Mid 1944) and not only to the latest but limited available types it's ok.

[Bobb4]

I think if you took any plane and really asked around you would find someone not happy about historical performance vs ingame play.
The Mossie may have got a raw deal, but take an Me109F2 out for a spin and see how that one anoys the gronards.
Would I like a faster Mossie sure, but then I would want the recon missions that go with it.
I would also like night fighters all I hope will eventually make its way into SOW.
One must remember that the original IL2 did not even have a player flyable Stuka and this feature was only introduced in patch 1.2
My guess why we do not have a decent Mossie is simple, lack of community interest, pure and simple.
It could easily have been modded by now and i am sure Oleg would have jumped at adding it in. but no-one did so..
Lets hope in SOW some modder takes an interest in the Mossie and for that matter all the lovely French fighters from the Phoney war

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

My guess why we do not have a decent Mossie is simple, lack of community interest, pure and simple.

Remember its pretty difficult to judge what is of genuine interest.

In particular the forums attract a lot of new players who are excited about online play and have just discovered the game lacks a late war prototype spit/P51/Dora with 50 lbs extra boost and nitro-etho-benzo-uber injection that they are convinced will make them invincible on hyperlobby.

3 years later what the same guy really wants is a swordfish for torpedo bombing in the Mediterranean and a flyable Wellington but he is not spamming the forums with plane requests by that stage.

[mondo]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

The obvious reason why we do not have a NF mark of the Mosquito in the game is that the game doesn't simulate night bomber/fighter operations.

Night ground attack is only limited to mission designers imaginations. There have been several good night fighter third party campaigns, one that sticks out is for the Beaufighter. People also forget that Mosquito's were used successfully as ground attack aircraft at night by the 2nd TAF in 44/45.

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by mondo

Night ground attack is only limited to mission designers imaginations. There have been several good night fighter third party campaigns, one that sticks out is for the Beaufighter. People also forget that Mosquito's were used successfully as ground attack aircraft at night by the 2nd TAF in 44/45.

Yes sure, and you can perfectly simulate this with the FB VI as they operated this mark in the night ranger/intruder role. This even supports the point that there is (was) no need for a pure NF mark (with radar equipement) of the mosquito.

Don't get me wrong I'd like to have every mark of the Mosquito, but resources are limited. Taking the FB VI was propably the best choice.