4.13 development update discussion and feedback

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by julien673

Now its back to normal

Vive les canadiens de Mmmmontrrrrrééééééééééaaaaaaaaalllllllll lll !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

More seriously ... i use Windows 8.1 .... and i can t play anymore whit il2, any help or patch will be good

Tks

IL2 1946 works perfectly well in Win 8.1

Instal the game to eg:

C:\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946

and not into the

C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946
or
C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\IL-2 Sturmovik 1946

Also

In the Windows compatibility settings enable "Run this Program as an Administrator"

[Pursuivant]

I was just unpleasantly reminded that the armor glass in the cockpit of the Hurricane MkIIb isn't modeled.

Either that, or the Luftwaffe is disguising its 30 mm cannons as Mg 15.

Yet another sniper-like headshot through the front cockpit by a "rookie" bomber gunner. This time from 150 meters by the top rear gunner of a Ju-88A-4, a plane noted for its heavy and highly effective defensive armament (not). Just another reminder why bomber intercept missions suck in IL2.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

I was just unpleasantly reminded that the armor glass in the cockpit of the Hurricane MkIIb isn't modeled.

Either that, or the Luftwaffe is disguising its 30 mm cannons as Mg 15.

Yet another sniper-like headshot through the front cockpit by a "rookie" bomber gunner. This time from 150 meters by the top rear gunner of a Ju-88A-4, a plane noted for its heavy and highly effective defensive armament (not). Just another reminder why bomber intercept missions suck in IL2.

Was that armour glass new with that model of Hurricane, or did they have it in the BoB, and the Spitfires too, as I have always believed?

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Was that armour glass new with that model of Hurricane, or did they have it in the BoB, and the Spitfires too, as I have always believed?

While the earliest production versions of the Spitfire and Hurricane were built without armor glass, and there were some troubles getting it retrofitted when the war started, by summer of 1940 all RAF fighters had armor glass windscreens.

I'm not sure of the exact thickness, but it was between 3-4" (75-100 mm) and mounted at an angle both to conform with the cockpit shape and to further improve bullet resistance.

While WW2-era armor glass wasn't nearly as effective as modern varieties, in sufficient thicknesses it could stop a rifle caliber bullet, as shown here:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...n/Scan0195.jpg

Against anything heavier, however, armor glass was pretty well useless even at extreme ranges.

FWIW, the Luftwaffe also had and used armor glass. This picture gives a sense of the thickness:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...kmlqUnR_RNzchg

According to Capt. Eric Brown, late war German armor glass wasn't as well manufactured and had a slight tint to it.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

While the earliest production versions of the Spitfire and Hurricane were built without armor glass, and there were some troubles getting it retrofitted when the war started, by summer of 1940 all RAF fighters had armor glass windscreens.

Interesting.

Was it taken out of lend-lease aircraft, either on arrival or before, or is it just bogus that Forgotten Battles Hurricanes don't have it?

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Was it taken out of lend-lease aircraft, either on arrival or before, or is it just bogus that Forgotten Battles Hurricanes don't have it?

The Hurricanes Mk I supplied to Finland in 1939 might have been early production versions that weren't fitted with armor glass, but I'm not sure. The Finnish experts on this forum would probably know, however.

But, even if the armor glass was never fitted, or was stripped for export, it makes sense that the Finns would have retrofitted it - possibly using German stocks - after 1941.

Since the Hurricane MkII series planes were (mostly) Ex-RAF stocks it makes no sense that their armor should be stripped before they were exported. Certainly, the armor and guns would have been left in the Hurricanes flown by the RAF in the USSR and then left for the Soviets once the RAF pulled out. But, again, I don't know for certain.

But, in fairness to IL2, I might be bitching about a "problem" that's actually realistic. Armor glass of the WW2-era period wasn't nearly as strong as it is today, so perhaps it's realistic that a rifle-caliber ball (not Armor-Piercing) bullet could penetrate it 50-100 mm of glass at 100 meters or more. Certainly, a Armor-Piercing 0.30 caliber/7.62 mm MG bullet could easily penetrate that amount of glass about 200-300 m.

Add the 300-500 km/h of airspeed for a pursuing fighter to the basic bullet velocity of about 900 m/s, and penetration is improved even further.

[Jami]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

The Hurricanes Mk I supplied to Finland in 1939 might have been early production versions that weren't fitted with armor glass, but I'm not sure. The Finnish experts on this forum would probably know, however.

Well, I'm not an expert but I have some photos I took a couple of years ago in Keski-Suomen Ilmailumuseo (The Aviation Museum of Central Finland). I had an opportunuty to have a look at a Hurricane Mk I which was under restoration. This fighter was delivered to Finland in 7th of March 1940 and it is the only one which is still remaining. You'll find two pictures from these links:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/qzljpkh66z7l0jc/HC452.jpg
http://www.mediafire.com/view/vu404m...e6/HC452_a.jpg

It seems to me that there is an armor glass fitted, but I'm not sure. It's a pity that I didn't take a closer look at the cockpit glasses when visiting there.

And here is a link to the museum's virtual pages:

http://www.airforcemuseum.fi/flash.asp?file=1