Luftwaffe bombers

[gaunt1]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Seems like if we had the Do217K-1/K-2 modelled internally it would be no difference to have a M-1... just engine differences.

Yes, exactly. The M was the same as the K, but with DB-603A engines. It boosted the top speed from 515-520 to 560, so it was the fastest bomber of LW built in significant numbers.

[Furio]

I know that we’re talking of a sim, so we should not look for “balancing”, but mid-war period is overall more playable. Luftwaffe bombers had not much meaningful use after the beginning of 1944, and exactly the same can be said for the Japanese. However, the Do217 entered service in late 1941, so it would make a lot of sense to have it.

[majorfailure]

Why should Team Daidalos or others model a bomber which most players will not use? -which imho the Do-17 would be - given the durable and well armed He-111 or the fast and versatile Ju-88 are available in the same timeframe -and both can exceed the bomb capacity of the Do-17.

The Do-217 and the He-177 outperform the currently available bombers in at least one aspect, so they would be a welcome addition -and the would get at least some attention from the players - which planes get the most attention of the players now? - Usually its the "better" performing ones -right?

[SPAD-1949]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

Why should Team Daidalos or others model a bomber which most players will not use? -which imho the Do-17 would be - given the durable and well armed He-111 or the fast and versatile Ju-88 are available in the same timeframe -and both can exceed the bomb capacity of the Do-17.

To shoot at...

[[URU]BlackFox]

Historical significance maybe...

[gaunt1]

It looks like lots of people here (including myself) would like to have a Do-217 as a flyable plane, so maybe we should gather as much info as possible about it. Maybe then someone would start to model the cockpit or other versions (E2/4 or M1). What do you think?

Fortunately, there are huge amount of documentation available for free, I dare to say its the most documented bomber of the LW! The manuals are full of useful information, plus tons of pictures of the cockpit, from almost any imaginable angle.

So I'd start with this:

Do 217 E-1, E-3 Bedienungsvorschrift-Fl
http://www.scribd.com/doc/120347364/...l-Oktober-1941
Kennblatt für das Flugzeugmuster Do 217 E-1/E-2 mit BMW 801 A-1
http://www.scribd.com/doc/120341821/...ach-Japan-1941
Do 217 K-1 Bedienungsvorschrift-Fl
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51456919/1...svorschrift-Fl
Do 217 K-1 Flugzeug-Handbuch Teil 8D & 8E, Sondereinbauten & Nebelanlage
http://www.scribd.com/doc/106942585/...ge-August-1943
Do 217 E-2, E-4 Flugzeug-Handbuch Teil 8D Sondereinbauten
http://www.scribd.com/doc/50870396/1...ondereinbauten
Do 217 E-2, E-4 Flugzeug-Handbuch Teil 8A Schusswaffenanlage
http://www.scribd.com/doc/50195253/1...sswaffenanlage
Do 217 E-2, E-4 Flugzeug-Handbuch Teil 8B Abwurfwaffenanlage
http://www.scribd.com/doc/50194022/1...rfwaffenanlage

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Yes, exactly. The M was the same as the K, but with DB-603A engines. It boosted the top speed from 515-520 to 560, so it was the fastest bomber of LW built in significant numbers.

Interesting! That would be valuable. A fast, heavy hitting bomber type for the Luftwaffe useful across a variety of date ranges and in a number of scenarios. I can see the Do217 as a flyable adding a lot to the mix.