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[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

Have not looked at the h-res video but I doubt that will make the terrain come to life.
At the size of game (125000 sqkm) they are punting realistically to expect much more would be asking too much I think.
It is just something I would have hoped a modern sim would have done better.
Again this is not a blast at the game.
As I have stated I will buy the game, I love the era.

What do you expect? It shows the mostly flat muddy terrain that made this frontline what it was in WW2. The only thing that strikes me about the terrain are the still rather straight roads, but it was already stated that these won't be in the final.

You should definitely check out the high-res-movies. It shows how much effort was payed to little details, like reflections, ground-texturing, atmospheric effects and ground-modeling.

Just remember, this is not CoD4 with a 300mx300m Map for 12 players. Most of the detail, you'll only realize, when you actually play the game (like FM, the already shown gesture-communications, realistic engine-modeling, etc)

[Feathered_IV]

It's the Alpha version remember.

[Bobb4]

I hate it when people defend something for no reason.
I have not said the fm, graphics of the planes etc were bad or commented on the tiny attention to detail either all i have said is the terrain is flat.
I understand the scale of things and how hard it is. But when I scream in low in IL2 I can see the same detail as this (screenshots).
I am not implying it is a bad sim, it just does not live up to my expectations of a new generation flight sim that is all.
Yes Il2 is ten years old and nothing I have seen so-far (I will watch the HDV tonight) makes me think that this sim is not ten years old as well.
Again not a bad thing really, it is at least as good as Il2 if not better ,but it lacks the wow factor.
But maybe with full motion blur and sound the otherwise bland terrain in the screenshots may spring to life.

What I do like is the very effective use of trackir.

Anyway my opinion has never really counted for much on any forum so please relax.

on a positive not it is a new flight sim and that can never be a bad thing

[_ITAF_UgoRipley]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

...it just does not live up to my expectations of a new generation flight sim that is all...

Your expectations maybe wrong, or just too high.
And, as already said, remember it's still Alpha, so there can be room for improvements.

[Feuerfalke]

This is a discussion-board, Bobb.

I think it's quite common for this type of communication, that you get reactions to your statements. Nobody is bashing you, thouch, and nobody is attacking you. It's just that you stated your opinion, others state theirs in reaction to it. That's it.

Just because it is expected from some people, to defend a piece of dog-sh*t on the street, just to enjoy the discussion and spread flaming, doesn't mean that's neccessarily true.
It's just a bit too difficult for some people to accept that they reap what they sow. But so far we're just discussing a few Alpha-state-Promovideos from a nice game.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

This is a discussion-board, Bobb.

Nobody is bashing you, thouch, and nobody is attacking you. .

Never thought they were

And maybe I expected too much from first screenshots anyway

[Feuerfalke]

Good to hear.

I tend to see the glass is half-full rather than half-empty and looking at these alpha-shots, I see a great time ahead for us sim-fans.

Looking forward for more news to come!

[Rama]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

...all i have said is the terrain is flat.
I understand the scale of things and how hard it is. But when I scream in low in IL2 I can see the same detail as this (screenshots).

You judge from a few screenshots. The map is quite big and not restricted to a flat area.

I did provide the elevation data grid for this map... as I did for some IL2 maps (Norway, Burma, Bessarabia...) and so knows the respective technical choices and limitation for relief rendering in each game.
I can tell you the elevation grid resolution for RoF is much higher, both in grid coordinates and elevation than in IL2 engine.

You'll see when you'll play the game.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by Rama

You judge from a few screenshots. The map is quite big and not restricted to a flat area.

I did provide the elevation data grid for this map... as I did for some IL2 maps (Norway, Burma, Bessarabia...) and so knows the respective technical choices and limitation for relief rendering in each game.
I can tell you the elevation grid resolution for RoF is much higher, both in grid coordinates and elevation than in IL2 engine.

You'll see when you'll play the game.

Maybe my point is lost in translation???
I am not talking about flat as the entire world is flat, I am talking, look at the road the ambulance convoy is driving on, it is flat, no textures but a sandy coloured line painted on a green background. exactly the same as is to be seen on Il2.
Now if this screenshot was taken from 2000ft, that's okay but it is taken up-close and personal.
Now if you look at Theatre of war and its soon to be released cousin theatre of war 2 you might understand what I mean about flat.
Yes there are trees and buildings but I expected more especially as this sim will be fought close to the ground.
Like I have said, it is flat (detail-less might be a better term) and compares well with IL2 1946 and OFF using the CFS3 engine.
Individual buildings and plane graphics are excluded from this of-course.
Now again I stress it is very good but not cutting edge. Not next generation.
I hope that gets my point across.
And again no offence intended or taken just a general opinion after seeing the first screenshots of the alpha in action.

[Avimimus]

I won't be surprised if one of the addons or sequels has grass (...if we give it some time to develop).

Interesting that there isn't any word about the mission editors...?