WOtif Hitler had NOT attacked Russia

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by Old-Banger

What if France had walked into the Ruhr while Hitler was pre-occupied with Poland?

They would have come under fire from the Siegfried line?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

What an a-hole.
Although I do understand his point I prefer to be nice to gov employees.
PPL complaining about BC are usually pro immigrant too...
Right, poor 'lil Mexicans. argh.

[Old-Banger]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

They would have come under fire from the Siegfried line?

Yes, I suppose so. But was the Siegfied line fully in place in 1939? I wonder what sort of forces were left to defend the west front?

So how about: what if the largest Army in Europe at the time could have shown a little of the lateral thinking that the German Army employed (thinking of Ardennes here)? Not a criticism of the French, by the way, but if only some of their (and the British after they mobilised) commanders could have shown similiar initiative. But I guess that is the beauty of looking back after the event - it all looks so easy.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by Old-Banger

So how about: what if the largest Army in Europe at the time could have shown a little of the lateral thinking that the German Army employed (thinking of Ardennes here)? Not a criticism of the French, by the way, but if only some of their (and the British after they mobilised) commanders could have shown similiar initiative.

Such a decision to advance into Germany would have had to be taken at the highest political level. Not by a mere military commander.
Ooops! What am I talking about? Such a decision was taken at the highest political level. We decided to sit on our hands.
How about; what if France had got off it's backside when Hitler re-militerized the Rhineland? Would the Wehrmacht kicked Hitler out of power?

Or even; what if the Queen had bollocks?
Oh yeah, she'd be the King.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Such a decision to advance into Germany would have had to be taken at the highest political level. Not by a mere military commander.
Ooops! What am I talking about? Such a decision was taken at the highest political level. We decided to sit on our hands.
How about; what if France had got off it's backside when Hitler re-militerized the Rhineland? Would the Wehrmacht kicked Hitler out of power?

Or even; what if the Queen had bollocks?
Oh yeah, she'd be the King.

The French?
Kick?
Out of power?
roflamo.

[He111]

hmmm my original post was to hint at a 1946 replacement, German & Russian planes mixed together in mass-meglo-dictator-alliance V the rest of the world.

But i've parted the hair of many and straight through to the keeper! ..

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[tk471138]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Scary?

No.. more sad than scary, in that we are living under a semi dictatorship in the west! The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.. And when I say facism.. I mean the clasical definition, not the new age (hippy) definition to take the focus off the fact that we are by trying to re-define facism as a system with an elected dictator

i think he means the essence of fascism is the merging of the govt (state) and corporations...


also this changing the definition thing that the govt has been involved in was something George Orwell (Eric Blair) incorporated in to his book...this is what govts do...for instance the govt calls all drug narcotics...when in fact a narcotic is only referring to an opiate....why do this when its simply incorrect...to sensationalize...

another area in which this is commonly employed is the law...thats why in many laws they redefine the normal meanings of words, giving them a totally new meaning that applies only to the law...just another way to mislead the people...


the whole reason for this is to make it easier for the people to accept authoritarianism....

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by tk471138

i think he means the essence of fascism is the merging of the govt (state) and corporations...

But a tenant of NSDAP fascism was opposition to capitalism. The Nazi's saw corporate power as a threat to the well being of the state.

I think these days "fascism" has simply become synonymous with authoritarianism.

As a case in point, you regularly get people saying silly stuff like "fascism and communism are really the same thing" when the only thing they actually have in common is a propensity to resort to authoritarian rule.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by Old-Banger

What if France had walked into the Ruhr while Hitler was pre-occupied with Poland?

France did occupy part of the Saar.

Wiki
The French assault was to be carried out by roughly 40 divisions, including one armoured division, three mechanized divisions, 78 artillery regiments and 40 tank battalions. All the necessary forces were mobilised in the first week of September. On September 12, the Anglo French Supreme War Council gathered for the first time at Abbeville in France. It was decided that all offensive actions were to be halted immediately. By then, the French divisions have advanced approximately eight kilometres into Germany on a 24 kilometres long strip of the frontier in the Saarland area. Maurice Gamelin ordered his troops to stop not closer than 1 kilometre from the German positions along the Siegfried Line. Poland was not notified of this decision. Instead, Gamelin informed marshal Edward Rydz-Śmigły that half of his divisions are in contact with the enemy, and that French advances have forced the Wehrmacht to withdraw at least six divisions from Poland. The following day, the commander of the French Military Mission to Poland, General Louis Faury, informed the Polish Chief of Staff, General Wacław Stachiewicz, that the planned major offensive on the western front had to be postponed from September 17 to September 20. At the same time, French divisions were ordered to retreat to their barracks along the Maginot Line.

[lonewulf]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

What if the Germans had stood up to hitler in the early days and said No to all his aryan destiny blood and shite talk?

What if the French hadn't imposed ruinous, vindictive conditions on the Germans after WW1? (They were already starving for god's sake so what more did they want) What if the European nations had owned up to a shared responsibility for the outbreak of WW1? What if Britain had stayed out of the War and left it to the continental powers to resolve?