WOtif Hitler had NOT attacked Russia

[fruitbat]

I've always thought an interesting 'what if' would be if the English Channel wasn't there.......

Almost certainly in may/june 1940 England would of fallen after France, No north Africa campaign, so all the suez oil for Germany, no big aircraft carrier of the continent to bomb Germany night and day, and more than likely no USA involved in Europe at all, so Germany would of been free in its attack on the USSR.

reckon they would of got the a bomb first as well, scary stuff.

I love the English channel!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by He111

Makes you think, we could easily be living under dictatorships in the west!

scary!

Scary?

No.. more sad than scary, in that we are living under a semi dictatorship in the west! The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.. And when I say facism.. I mean the clasical definition, not the new age (hippy) definition to take the focus off the fact that we are by trying to re-define facism as a system with an elected dictator

[Wolf_Rider]

What if... Hitler had have been accepted into the art school he so cherished, instead of the path taken?

[arthursmedley]

If only Hitler had had more than one ball!

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Scary?

No.. more sad than scary, in that we are living under a semi dictatorship in the west! The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.. And when I say facism.. I mean the clasical definition, not the new age (hippy) definition to take the focus off the fact that we are by trying to re-define facism as a system with an elected dictator

The classical definition of fascism does not require a dictatorship merely patriotism, nationalism and authoritarianism.

Classical fascism was a Nationalistic state where patriotism was encouraged and the welfare of the nation was placed above that of individuals. Where necessary this was enforced by authoritarian measures.

A particular feature of NSDAP fascism was the view that capitalism was a bad thing and corporate power a threat to the well being of the state.

The US on the other hand is moving towards a situation where corporate well being is valued above that of both the individual and the nation itself. Though this is clearly undesirable it is also clearly not fascism.

[=CfC= Father Ted]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Scary?

No.. more sad than scary, in that we are living under a semi dictatorship in the west! The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.. And when I say facism.. I mean the clasical definition, not the new age (hippy) definition to take the focus off the fact that we are by trying to re-define facism as a system with an elected dictator

This is just bizarre!

What is the "clasical" definition of "facism", and how does it differ from the "new age (hippy)" one?

Please explain: "The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.."

Edit: thankyou Galway - though I think I'll leave the "bizarre" in

[He111]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

The classical definition of fascism does not require a dictatorship merely patriotism, nationalism and authoritarianism.

Classical fascism was a Nationalistic state where patriotism was encouraged and the welfare of the nation was placed above that of individuals. Where necessary this was enforced by authoritarian measures.

A particular feature of NSDAP fascism was the view that capitalism was a bad thing and corporate power a threat to the well being of the state.

The US on the other hand is moving towards a situation where corporate well being is valued above that of both the individual and the nation itself. Though this is clearly undesirable it is also clearly not fascism.

.. corporate state .. sounds about right, good if you own shares in these corporates, live in poverty if you don't.

1C released 1946 based on a what-if, which we all love, German and Soviet Alliance pact is another great what-if scenario.

Hey, i'm just trying to fill time while waiting for some news .. this forum is becoming as quiet as a grave ..

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[5./JG27.Farber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIqos...feature=g-vrec

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

The classical definition of fascism does not require a dictatorship merely patriotism, nationalism and authoritarianism.

Classical fascism was a Nationalistic state where patriotism was encouraged and the welfare of the nation was placed above that of individuals. Where necessary this was enforced by authoritarian measures.

A particular feature of NSDAP fascism was the view that capitalism was a bad thing and corporate power a threat to the well being of the state.

The US on the other hand is moving towards a situation where corporate well being is valued above that of both the individual and the nation itself. Though this is clearly undesirable it is also clearly not fascism.

yes... National Socialism, with "Corporatism" the second you mention is the other face of that same coin

Originally Posted by =CfC= Father Ted

This is just bizarre!

What is the "clasical" definition of "facism", and how does it differ from the "new age (hippy)" one?

Please explain: "The USA today is more of a fascism state than Germany was in WWII.."

Edit: thankyou Galway - though I think I'll leave the "bizarre" in

Well, "fascist" and "Nazi" is thrown out by those who do not like what the other person is saying, or as a putdown statement to opposition in an attempt to shut them up... all of which are inherent traits of a fascist (ie shutting down the opposition)

[Old-Banger]

What if France had walked into the Ruhr while Hitler was pre-occupied with Poland?