Beating a dead horse

[SlipBall]

BOB SOW is a work in progress that can not be rushed to completion by anxious people. If it were dead, Oleg would step up and say so!...I'm sure that they are doing the very best that they can to get it to market

I dont think SOW is dead, but i have to say if it comes out in 2009 or 10 then it must hold the record for the most time taken to develop a game. We have been led to believe that Oleg and crew have been working flat out on this since 2006, if that is true then its gonna have to sell shed loads to recoup any cash.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

I dont think SOW is dead, but i have to say if it comes out in 2009 or 10 then it must hold the record for the most time taken to develop a game. We have been led to believe that Oleg and crew have been working flat out on this since 2006, if that is true then its gonna have to sell shed loads to recoup any cash.

I have no inside info but I've followed the development of IL-2 and SOW since the beginning on all the related forums as they changed over the years. IL-2 was 7+ years in development and they weren't updating a existing sim at the same time. SOW started development around 2004 but most of the development crew were working on Pacific Fighters in 2005/6, PE-2, IL-2 1946 etc in 2007, not to mention all the free additions. They've only had a full crew working on SOW for the last year or so. If the sim comes out in 2009 or even 2010 it will be rather remarkable to have the next benchmark developed in under 6 years.

Unfortunately do to pressures of having SOW finished they had to pull the full crew into the development, so the 4.09 patch got caught in the middle. It had to happen at some point.


The developers support of the IL-2 series is unprecedented so I really can't understand people berating the developers actions.

[nearmiss]

have you given much attention the ads for birds of prey?

The name it is being sold under and promoted

IL2 Sturmovik:Birds of Prey

http://www.1cpublishing.eu/game/il-2...-prey/overview

Would you say that excludes Oleg? I would NOT think anyone, especially another developer could use IL2 Sturmovik to promote a game.

Anyone reading that name would naturally think Oleg was associated to a large degree with that product.

The name Il2 Sturmovik is unique enough and has enough clout among users it wouldn't be smart NOT to call the BOB SOW--->

IL2 Sturmovik Storms of War: Battle of Britain

Branding is what it is all about, and Oleg has a great brand name IL2 Sturmovik

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

have you given much attention the ads for birds of prey?

The name it is being sold under and promoted

IL2 Sturmovik:Birds of Prey

http://www.1cpublishing.eu/game/il-2...-prey/overview

Would you say that excludes Oleg? I would NOT think anyone, especially another developer could use IL2 Sturmovik to promote a game.

Anyone reading that name would naturally think Oleg was associated to a large degree with that product.

The name Il2 Sturmovik is unique enough and has enough clout among users it wouldn't be smart NOT to call the BOB SOW--->

IL2 Sturmovik Storms of War: Battle of Britain

Like I just implied in a recent post, having IL-2 Sturmovik in the title of BOP has confused alot of people. Most people are over that now. The original IL-2 was planned to only have the IL-2 Strumovik flyable, but the sim evolved many times over the years, thanks to the support of the developers. I'm sure if Oleg had a crystal ball he would have given the sim a different name.

I'm not sure the IL-2 Sturmovik name is required for product recognition or fits the discription of the future series.

[JG52Uther]

I'm bored of this forum and all the fighting that goes on.
The only ones who can say for sure what is going on is Oleg or Ilya,and they don't even bother anymore,everything else is either people arguing that SoW is dead (why bother coming here anymore if you believe that?) or people who presume to speak for Oleg or Ilya,and feel the need to repeat the same thing over and over.

[Chivas]

Yes its obviously a waste of time repeating the same things over and over. I thought it might help new forum members, even knowing it would irritate some regulars.

[virre89]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

have you given much attention the ads for birds of prey?

The name it is being sold under and promoted

IL2 Sturmovik:Birds of Prey

http://www.1cpublishing.eu/game/il-2...-prey/overview

Would you say that excludes Oleg? I would NOT think anyone, especially another developer could use IL2 Sturmovik to promote a game.

Anyone reading that name would naturally think Oleg was associated to a large degree with that product.

The name Il2 Sturmovik is unique enough and has enough clout among users it wouldn't be smart NOT to call the BOB SOW--->

IL2 Sturmovik Storms of War: Battle of Britain

Branding is what it is all about, and Oleg has a great brand name IL2 Sturmovik

Look dude,

I don't know were you're going with your posts but im sick of them.
You've been given enough evidence that IL2-POB has nothing to do with BOB:SOW, now either you just accept it or simply get lost.. since you don't even seem to trust the developers.

Besides, the IL2 Birds of Prey version is a great move for 1C to get more involved in the console business. Myself and probably everyone on this forum is a hardcore PC gamer but it's a great move and today the console market is neccessary for any developer/publisher.

Even the almighty pc developer ID SOFTWARE and their Code guru John Carmack stated that they've to create console games now to keep up with the market, nonetheless he was sure to point out that "they would still be making PC games even if it wouldn't sell the same , simply because it was the right thing to do" (make PC games).

SoW will be great, it's all flight fans and ww2 worshiper's wet dream an all new engine , new features , sounds in other words another benchmark Sim / Engine.

I think people should admire them for making this a pure PC game since it's not easy today and then accept BOP as an entry to the console market.

People should be glad we don't get a BOP port to the PC, but instead a full featured hardcore flightsim developed by the IL2 team for the >>>>PC<<<<.

[proton45]

I wonder if the similarity of the screen shots from "IL2 BOP" and "SoW BoB" is do to some kind of Ubi photoshop publicity processing? If you compare the "BoP" video clip with the "IL2 1946" DVD video clip of "SoW BoB" they don't really appear that similar...

Gotta post as Nearmiss has creased me up laughin so much over the last 13 pages.
Sadly I agree with a lot of his statements.

I feel sorry for the Admins/Mods here because you are slightly elevated in your responsibility here, and are expected to have a bit more info than the average Joe as is common on 99% of forums, sadly 1C forums seem to be that final 1%. The "Management" are letting you down guys!, don't blame the public for fishing, its not their fault.
People who have passion for a subject will be excited and hold out hope and re-check forums each day hoping to get another glimpse or increase the excitement with the latest news. I don't think I know any other sim community that has more passion than the Flight Simming Community. Shame on who ever it is that dangles a 109e or a Spitfire in front of our noses like the proverbial carrot, fills us full of tales of advanced physics and interchangeable vehicles. Then doesn't keep the community updated.
What did they really think was going to happen?

There are too many ppl who defend large companies to the eye tooth and these companies have generally started to not care about the long and dedicated fans and just care for the gain of money, sadly they know they wont have to face the flak in the forums cos there will be some ppl who will fight back for them. Guys unless your paid by ppl dont bother fighting for a cause that really isn't bothered if you fight for it, they'll get their money if they are defended or not. If the developers are not loyal enough to fight for the community and what we want i.e. to be kept up-to-date often, then dont fight for them, after all its your money you will be spending on this game if it should ever get released.

I have played and stuck with IL2 series from the early days and enjoyed it very much.
IMHO something is wrong here with SoW BoB.
Granted it takes some serious time to make a game these days but seriously, really, do you only expect the little info we have on nearly 3 years of production? and now the publisher we'd been told about supposedly isn't solid either.
You have to ask yourself this:
If you were to walk into these forums today would you think this game was a go? Probably not, because it doesn't even have its own section now, its only because of hope and wanting it that ppl are still prepared to deny an outcome that is not looking too great.

I personally think it will get released eventually but I dont think its a front-line project anymore, either that or there maybe a possibility that the community might have been misled/misunderstood how far along the road of development it actually is.
But, the only ppl to blame for the misunderstanding should be the PR ppl, they really should pay attention to what ppl feel in here or it could spell disaster for the game, when my friends and I first found out about this game ALL of us were really excited now, I'm the only one left who cares, pre-orders have been withdrawn, some even say they cant be arsed at all.

I have listened to nearmiss here, and in the other forums I have seen him in around the FS community along with other members here too, he's got a lot of passion for flight simming clearly or he wouldn't feel so dejected, maybe its because he can prolly see like others and me also, that this is not Oleg's normal style for things to get this way, he has 99% of the time kept the community up-to-date with other title releases, and the PR for the community with SoW has been below par.
I believe the only way the community is going to find out the truth is to all unite and simply pose the question, "Do you want our money for the SoW sim? if so can we please be kept updated in a regular fashion".
Then at least nearmiss could bury that poor old dead horse for good