Forcefeedback or no force feedback..?

[Troll2k]

Digikey has replacement Switches for the trigger and other buttons.

A long time ago someone posted the part numbers.I wrote them down.If I can read what I wrote here they are.

I have not verified any of these.I only put the info in my archives.

Trigger Omron B3M-6009 http://www.digikey.com/product-searc...omron+b3m-6009

Hat(4 pieces) Omron B3F-3122 (150g) http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea...=0&y=0&cur=USD

Switches 2-4 Omron B3F-1002(150g) http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea...=0&y=0&cur=USD

Base Omron B3F-1002(150g) http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSea...=0&y=0&cur=USD

[AirHog71]

Logitech G940?

I've had mine since release and love it.

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by AirHog71

Logitech G940?

I've had mine since release and love it.

Seconded.

[Forged]

The g940 - I think it's being discontinued, but you can still find it around. (Logitech doesn't sell it on their website anymore, last I checked. Neither do other online retailers except for insane prices... but I could be wrong! )

I have a few questions for you g940 users...

When you use it on a lower FFB setting, does the "graveliness" go away? Out of the box it was difficult to move around in a smooth manner - it "ratcheted" when moving. Or, put another way, it had a "graveliness" to it. I took mine back after finding this very annoying and it destroyed my aiming.

Have you used the MSFFB2 before? I'd love to know how the g940 feels compared to the MSFBB2 when the g940 is used on a lower FFB setting. I'm assuming this happened because the g940 is stronger by default, OR i had a bad unit.

[AirHog71]

The G940 on default settings is very strong and you may have had centering spring turned on as well.

From "graveilness" I'm assuming your referring to feeling of the teeth of the cogs when force is applied? Yes that is there and I would think it's something you can't avoid in any FFB setup. I do have a MS Sidewinder FFB 1 stick and from memory that felt pretty much the same.

The G940 however is configurable and I usually fly with the FFB settings at 70%. But it also depends on how the simulator is using FFB too.

[Hippy Druid]

I own both the g940 and the MSFFB2. Both have that gritty feel when the motors are powered. I thought it might be a little wierd when I first got it, but you don't even notice it.
I could never use a non-ffb joystick again. The pros far outweight the cons.

In a comparison of the MSFFB2 and the G940. The G940 stick is much better.

Sure the G940 has some out-of-the-box issues, but after a few tweaks to adjust spikey rotaries and rudder pedals, the stick itself is far superior to the MSFFB2 in every way. Better built, better grip, better buttons. Just buy it!

I bought the MSFFB2 so I could mod it. But the G940 is the stick I use everytime. I am looking for another one, as a backup.

[Forged]

Good to hear guys - thanks.

I also feel the "Grittiness" on the MSFFB2, but it's so incredibly minute that I don't notice unless I'm looking for it. It's never affected my aim. I think the default FFB was just set really strong and it made the problem much worse. I wish I knew about this then! When I tried it out, it was so bad that I could not aim with it at all. =-\

[DairyAir]

I have owned a G940 setup for about a year.
Recently, the rudder began to spike and produce rudder reversal.
R1 and R2 on the throttle spike when the mixture lever is moved.

I really like the feel of this combo. However, it is now unusable.

If a simple tweak could fix things, I might be less grumpy.

Originally Posted by Hippy Druid

I own both the g940 and the MSFFB2. Both have that gritty feel when the motors are powered. I thought it might be a little wierd when I first got it, but you don't even notice it.
I could never use a non-ffb joystick again. The pros far outweight the cons.

In a comparison of the MSFFB2 and the G940. The G940 stick is much better.

Sure the G940 has some out-of-the-box issues, but after a few tweaks to adjust spikey rotaries and rudder pedals, the stick itself is far superior to the MSFFB2 in every way. Better built, better grip, better buttons. Just buy it!

I bought the MSFFB2 so I could mod it. But the G940 is the stick I use everytime. I am looking for another one, as a backup.

[lokitexas]

Originally Posted by Hippy Druid

I own both the g940 and the MSFFB2. Both have that gritty feel when the motors are powered. I thought it might be a little wierd when I first got it, but you don't even notice it.
I could never use a non-ffb joystick again. The pros far outweight the cons.

In a comparison of the MSFFB2 and the G940. The G940 stick is much better.

Sure the G940 has some out-of-the-box issues, but after a few tweaks to adjust spikey rotaries and rudder pedals, the stick itself is far superior to the MSFFB2 in every way. Better built, better grip, better buttons. Just buy it!

I bought the MSFFB2 so I could mod it. But the G940 is the stick I use everytime. I am looking for another one, as a backup.

Thats the opposite of what I hear from everyone who has used the MSFF2 and G940.

FF supposedly feels much better on the MSFF2. I love it on mine. Also add to the fact that the MSFF2's are still working after all these years. I have 2 now.

Why I didnt purchase the G940, was a few things. First off the pedals, throttle, and stick are all seperate devices. That is just silly. The number of issues with reversals, spiking, and other issues, on top of the fact Logitechs lack of response to the issues is a huge turn off. Included in the price is also sub-par pedals. Anyone using, or going to use pedals of quality will switch the Logi ones that come with it. So again, paying for something I wouldnt use anyway is a waste.

I do like the button layout though. Except for the trim dials with no center detent.

So my solution was to buy the X65 to use with most sims (DCS, BMS etc). Also use one of my MSFF2 sticks with the x52 grip and buttons, for prop sims like RoF and IL2. That worked out much better.

Even using the MSFF2 with the default grip and buttons is more than enough for sims like IL2 and RoF, when you have a decent set of pedals and throttle.

My 2 cents, get a MSFF2 again. Mod it with a CH Fighter stick or x52 grip in order to use more buttons, or just by itself with a good throttle. The way the g940 is built, I doubt you will see them still working years from now..unlike the MSFF2.