Yes this is true. For a graph of a hypothetical situation, but if it was actual dogfight, the Cessna would outturn the 747. I understand what you're saying though.
In actual dogfight, physics does not change.
Diagram shows something that did not exist in real life and luckily it does not exist in the sim either. Spitfire can realize the turn performance advantage at almost any moment unless the speed difference is largely in favour of the 109 - at which point the 109 pilot won't try to enter a pure turning competition (and that's what we're talking here about) anyway.
See Above, the math is the math.
First pilot to reduce the angle of bank is very likely to lose the (turn)fight. If the 109 pilot gains speed and climbs we haven't got pure turnfight anymore and we can't speak of sustained turn either. Of course, in real virtual dogfights this is exactly what happens and both pilots usually fly yo-yos and the turn is egg-shaped rather than a circle etc. There is much more to it in actual combat. Sustained horizontal turn rate is still very important when it comes to TnB and this is where Spitfire beats the 109. (still depending on the pilots of course).
Right, and the Spitfire is outturned at higher velocity because it cannot sustain as high a turn rate at higher speeds.
I suggest you start flying these combat flight sims, while you're hangin around on the forums you might as well want to actually try what you're typing in here. It won't work I am telling you now
This is as wrong as it can get mate
Not an issue and has not effect with what happens in reality. It is hard to overcome the physics of the Bf-109 being lighter with the same power. This is an advantage where performance is thrust limited.
Any pilot can do that. Of course pilot skill plays a huge role in here, too. There are more tricks in how to outturn your opponent and win the edge. This is where the human factor comes in. But speaking strictly of the machines and the sustained turn potential, Spitfire would be the winner at typical TnB speeds. That's why any sane 109 pilot avoids TnB with a Spitfire.
Sure, it depends on the speed though.
Actually it's the other way around. Average Spitfire pilot will outturn any average 109 pilot hands down when it comes to sustained turn. It requires exceptional 109 pilot (esp. engine management and stall control, very clean rudder) to outturn a decent Spitfire pilot in a proper turnfight.
Maybe if they fix the stability and control it will be more realistic. Of course that will not change the speeds performance occurs....
I understand that you have no experience with virtual dogfight. Your theoretical knoweledge is useful but you would die in combat if you tried to apply it.
09-18-2012, 11:32 AM
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