Soviet fighters and 4.12

[Herra Tohtori]

I don't know anything about the "historical" values for these planes, but I would just like to submit my opinion that in a mission with a Bf-109 G-2 vs. La-5FN, I would pick the Messerschmitt over the Lavochkin any day of the week, and weekends too.

It's futile to say that the Axis fighters cannot fight Soviet planes, when the Bg-109 G-2 is far superior fighting machine in IL-2 1946. In fact, if the soviet cardboard planes were reduced in performance, then by all rights the Bf-109 G-2 should be given similar treatment as well. From the anecdotal references from Finnish Air Force pilots, their testimony suggests that the Bf-109 G-6 was not as significantly inferior to the G-2 as it is in the game (the difference in flight characteristics and performance is massive between G-2 and G-6). If anything, that has been the most annoying FM discrepancy in my opinion for the entirety of time I've been playing this game.

[CWMV]

Ya Id agree that all the 109's from the G-6 onwards are kinda, well...ya...
But the 109 has pretty much been ignored for a long time.

[1984]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Unfortunately, finding detailed flight data charts about soviet fighters is quite hard (if not impossible) on the internet. This is why the main source are various books.

for a start...

good source about la-5 - Авиация и время, 05/2006...

better than in topic about la-7...

and very good source from "Авиация и космонавтика" about m-82 (las too) - Рождение Ла-5 или развитие и доводка мотора М-82 в годы ВОВ.... "Архивы раскрывают тайны истории отечественной авиации"...

about lerche's la-5 (for a start about this plane) - http://www.aviation.ru/contrib/Andre...ting/index.htm

[bugmenot]

http://web.archive.org/web/200804140...Lavochkin.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200707031...ltilt/wep.html

"There is some contradiction with first hand Czech pilot accounts of flying the La5FN during May 1944. These quite clearly state that augmented power derived from revving over 2400rpm to 2500 rpm was only available from take off and only sustainable for a period of upto 2 minutes immediately after take off."

[1984]

i given good source with RUSSIAN archive materials about m-82 and la's - Рождение Ла-5 или развитие и доводка мотора М-82 в годы ВОВ, in internet have all manuals, but you want see "true" in some wrong compilations and speculations on english from internet...

this really make me laugh...

[bugmenot]

"По горизонтали Ла-5ФН медленно,
но догоняет ФВ-190, но потом сдают свечи, и ФВ-190 медленно уходит..." (гв.ст.л-т Н.Н.Шульженко, 2-й ГИАП)

"There is some contradiction with first hand Czech pilot accounts of flying the La5FN during May 1944. These quite clearly state that augmented power derived from revving over 2400rpm to 2500 rpm was only available from take off and only sustainable for a period of upto 2 minutes immediately after take off."

this really make me laugh...

me too

[1984]

if someone can't understand simple things first time, it's can be mistake, but if he can't understand and second time - this just stupidity...

so, i think no any reasons for continue of this "constructive discussion"...


for all - PLEASE, don't post stupid things here, and if you want read about forsazh of m-82FN (early and late variants), go to here - page 10 of "Рождение Ла-5 или ..." and next pages...

[bugmenot]

[JZG_Con]

I've always felt the axis aircraft were tonned down , we all know our history , but remember this flight sim has come a long way , now with HSFX 6.1 it might start getting better for us all ..me I'm 99% blue ... , but I won't give up .

[1984]

start - 2 min, now - 5 min...

not bad... something like progress...


manual for la-5fn (spring'44=old sparking-plugs, for early and maybe late engines) - Не более 5 мин. при общей продолжительности работы мотора до переборки не более 6 час.

manual for la-7 (autumn'44=NEW sparking-plugs, for late engines, maybe + another design too) - Не более 10 мин. при общей продолжительности работы мотора до переборки не более 6 час.