Speaking of Guns...

[swiss]

Aren't the Romanian AKs the way to go?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by swiss

Aren't the Romanian AKs the way to go?

I haven't heard much good about any firearm coming from there, most of them were used with low military grade ammo, and the combination of corrosive powder together with the poor maintenance means they're all a bit knackered.. Then again considering that the last thing you need in an AK is accuracy beyond 100yds..

[Sternjaeger II]

To be honest the only great thing about AKs are the gas system mechanism and the 7.62x39 ammo, other than that they're just cheapo ordinary assault rifles, which again, don't get me wrong, do their job fantastically

An AR-15 with the AK gas recovery mechanism is probably a good compromise, but then again I've never been a huge fan of the .223 :-/

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I haven't heard much good about any firearm coming from there, most of them were used with low military grade ammo, and the combination of corrosive powder together with the poor maintenance means they're all a bit knackered.. Then again considering that the last thing you need in an AK is accuracy beyond 100yds..

So, which country builds the best AKs?
The Chinese ones suck too, did the Yugos ever build them?

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

An AR-15 with the AK gas recovery mechanism is probably a good compromise, but then again I've never been a huge fan of the .223 :-/

you could as well go for a SIG, they are precise but heavy. PITA if you ask me unless it's a commando version.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by swiss

So, which country builds the best AKs?
The Chinese ones suck too, did the Yugos ever build them?

the ones coming from former Eastern Germany are probably the ones in best nick, they were looked after like only the Germans can and they're mostly former Russian.

you could as well go for a SIG, they are precise but heavy. PITA if you ask me unless it's a commando version.

SIGs are defo too heavy. Last time I went to Italy I tried a Car15 with the new picatinny style front barrel guard made by Oberland, beautiful gun but far too heavy for my taste

[ATAG_Bliss]

I've never really fired any civillian version of these types of guns. But the main point about the AK's were their simplicity, lack of maintenance, and overall fireability. The old AK was fairly rock solid in the harshest of environments.

If I was to buy a civy version of a weapon with a 7.62 it would have to be something similar to a SCAR-H though. Sometimes we pull out the light arms at the range so things like the M4, SCAR-L and H, and occasionally foriegn confiscated weapons (AKs etc) that teams keep in their inventory. I wasn't really impressed with the AK, definitly not for an accuracy weapon. The sights are easy enough and the weapon is definitely fairly idiot proof, but nothing compared to the SCAR.

I also thought I heard the Romanian version was the way to go?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

I've never really fired any civillian version of these types of guns. But the main point about the AK's were their simplicity, lack of maintenance, and overall fireability. The old AK was fairly rock solid in the harshest of environments.

I think the no need for maintenance of AKs is surely a bit overrated, but it's true, you can leave them to themselves and they will keep on working, extremely simple guns but obviously not that accurate. Helluva fierce thing to use in close combat though!

If I was to buy a civy version of a weapon with a 7.62 it would have to be something similar to a SCAR-H though. Sometimes we pull out the light arms at the range so things like the M4, SCAR-L and H, and occasionally foriegn confiscated weapons (AKs etc) that teams keep in their inventory. I wasn't really impressed with the AK, definitly not for an accuracy weapon. The sights are easy enough and the weapon is definitely fairly idiot proof, but nothing compared to the SCAR.

I also thought I heard the Romanian version was the way to go?

oh, if we're talking about big assault rifles I'd rather stay classic (and classy) with my Garand M1.
30-06 calibre is by far the best compromise, it's a whole whopping kg lighter than the SCAR and keeps 8 rounds in its very sleek design, which means you can use it also on prone position without the magazine being in the way.
The M-14 is another lovely gun, and maybe more versatile than the Garand.

I haven't heard much good about Rumanian stuff, but never tried it myself. Even their version of the Dragunov is a bit crap.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I think the no need for maintenance of AKs is surely a bit overrated, but it's true, you can leave them to themselves and they will keep on working, extremely simple guns but obviously not that accurate. Helluva fierce thing to use in close combat though!

No it's not overrated. We tried about everything with them in theater. They just plain almost always fire or can be made to fire very easily in the worst conditions.

oh, if we're talking about big assault rifles I'd rather stay classic (and classy) with my Garand M1.
30-06 calibre is by far the best compromise, it's a whole whopping kg lighter than the SCAR and keeps 8 rounds in its very sleek design, which means you can use it also on prone position without the magazine being in the way.
The M-14 is another lovely gun, and maybe more versatile than the Garand.

I haven't heard much good about Rumanian stuff, but never tried it myself. Even their version of the Dragunov is a bit crap.

I wasn't really talking about big assault rifles. Just something the OP started, wanting something with a 7.62 - aka SCAR-H. The only reason I mentioned heavy weapons is because I hardly get a chance to play with the light arms as I deal in 60mm mortors, Mk47's, M19's, Mk44, M2/M2A1 etc. and only bring out the small stuff when we are not just wasting ammo at the range.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

No it's not overrated. We tried about everything with them in theater. They just plain almost always fire or can be made to fire very easily in the worst conditions.

Yes but they need cleaning and maintenance like any other rifle,that's what I meant. The mechanics are extremely simple and primordial,but it's still an highly effective gun for close combat,with a fantastic ammo.

I wasn't really talking about big assault rifles. Just something the OP started, wanting something with a 7.62 - aka SCAR-H. The only reason I mentioned heavy weapons is because I hardly get a chance to play with the light arms as I deal in 60mm mortors, Mk47's, M19's, Mk44, M2/M2A1 etc. and only bring out the small stuff when we are not just wasting ammo at the range.

Yeah I understand, but the .308 is not on the same level of the 7.62x39, that's what I meant
Never used the SCAR personally, but I heard about some issues with the bolt and extractor?

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

oh, if we're talking about big assault rifles I'd rather stay classic (and classy) with my Garand M1.
30-06 calibre is by far the best compromise, it's a whole whopping kg lighter than the SCAR and keeps 8 rounds in its very sleek design, which means you can use it also on prone position without the magazine being in the way.
The M-14 is another lovely gun, and maybe more versatile than the Garand.

I haven't heard much good about Rumanian stuff, but never tried it myself. Even their version of the Dragunov is a bit crap.

Ask the guy that told you a Garand is 1kg lighter than the SCAR-H to give you your money back. the garand was a great rifle, (not assault rifle), back in it's time, but it's time pzssed 70 years ago.
The heavy scar weights 7.9lbs. A Garand around 10lbs. The scar is the lightest. 308 assault rifle out there and it has everything you would want from a modern weapon.
The Romanian AK's are not considered that good. They work like most other ak's, but the Russian and bulgarian are the best. From what I heared the Arsenal saigas are some of the most popular AK rifles this days. Quality at a good price.