SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Zorin

There is a HUGE difference between knowing how to handle a gun and having your personal arsenal at home to be abused at will.

So perhaps get off your high moral ground and take CWMV's outdated quotations from men who never knew modern societies with you.

WE, the poeple who are against fire arms being kept in the hands of civilians, have actually learned from history and embrace the non-violent means of modern democracy, which have been developed by mankind as a lesson learned from history.

I'm not sure where you learned that in history. But I agree with you and I am sure the majority of the people of China and North Korea would also agree with you........... if they were allowed to. I think we should all throw down any firearms that we may have (except me, cause I don't have any) and embrace the goodwill of our leaders because we know there are only good people in power, they want only what is good for us. We should all know this from lessons learned in history and if you have'nt learned yet we have special summer camps where we will teach you.

[arthursmedley]

nearmiss, are you alright? I mean sincerely, are you o.k. mate? Not on any sort of medication? Feeling any sort of strain? Seriously not trying to be a wise-ass here but you seem to...well, ramble all over the place when you post these days.

Make sure you're not over-doing things o.k? Try sitting down more.

[Canine]

ok, let's see here:

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land."

Nearly 75 years ago, (when welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land."

Today, Congress has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels, and mortgaged the Promised Land!

I was so depressed last night thinking about health care plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement funds, GUN CONTROL, ets., I called a suicide hotline. I had to press 1 for English. I was connected to a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. They got excited and asked if I could drive a tuck.......

Folks, we're screwed......you better have a gun!

How do I feel about gun control? Come break into my house and find out.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by Canine

ok, let's see here:

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land."

Nearly 75 years ago, (when welfare was introduced) Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the Promised Land."

Today, Congress has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels, and mortgaged the Promised Land!

I was so depressed last night thinking about health care plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement funds, GUN CONTROL, ets., I called a suicide hotline. I had to press 1 for English. I was connected to a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was suicidal. They got excited and asked if I could drive a tuck.......

Folks, we're screwed......you better have a gun!

How do I feel about gun control? Come break into my house and find out.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

nearmiss, are you alright? I mean sincerely, are you o.k. mate? Not on any sort of medication? Feeling any sort of strain? Seriously not trying to be a wise-ass here but you seem to...well, ramble all over the place when you post these days.

Make sure you're not over-doing things o.k? Try sitting down more.

Sounds like you want him to turn to the left and cough while you check for a hernia....

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by kendo65

First question. Why would you want an anti-tank missile or a SAM in the USA?

"I want to do what I want to do especially if I am paying for it."
All societies have limits to personal freedom. The right of an individual to do what they want is balanced against the potential harm that that individual doing what they want could cause other people. So, I may want to get totally drunk and then drive home in my car. Society says I can't.

Or I might want to get off my head with a certain cocktail of drugs paid for out of my own hard-earned cash. Society says I can't.

There are lots of limits. None of us is totally free.

Same with the guns (or heavier weaponry) issue. Just because someone WANTS it doesn't mean that it's sensible or desirable from a wider perspective for them to have it.

What about the nukes?

what you describe isnt freedom...just another misconception perpetuated by the media....


see in a free society unless you infringe or encroach on the rights of others you aught to be left alone....

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

No one is 'free'. We all live in society and are all bound by the restrictions of our laws, culture and social expectations. Depending upon which system we live under we are given 'freedoms' to pursue our lives in the way we see fit - in limited areas. We call them our rights.

In pre-school children are taught that even though they have their rights, with them come responsibilites. Now even though we hope people will choose to meet their responsibilites if they fail to do so those responsibilities will be forced upon them by the full weight of the systrem (law culture and social expectaions).

Now my original comment was light hearted dig at the youth of today (you can tell by the ) who are all (without exception) G-D Tree Hugging Neo-Hippies and could all do with decent haircuts and a good couple of years in National service.

All your comments merely re-enforce my views.

you view of freedom is foolish and does not equate to freedom....


THE only real responsibility or obligation you have in a free society is to NOT encroach or infringe on the rights of others,

also to follow through with what ever legal contracts you have knowingly entered into....

their is no preconditions you must meet or other obligations you must fulfill in order to be allowed to exercise your rights or to gain your status as a free individual....again your freedom is innate...its creator endowed....


you seem to be the opposit of "freedom loving" i mean you are even critical of the way people choose to look... i mean seriously....

i mean so many people here have NO IDEA on the principles of a truly free society...most of you lack any historical understanding as well...i am blown away by the misconceptions posted here in this thread, and the people ignorant about something they should be cherishing, and that is their freedom (or for some here, the potential freedom that they could have, should they choose to exercise it, regardless of what some law says)

[Wolf_Rider]

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Personally I think most of us are little more than serfs now anyway - we get the opportunity to work in order to pay an over-inflated mortgage, while the economy is run primarily so that a bunch of investment bankers have enough chips to enable them to retire on their fat bonuses.

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Well, we never really did leave the feudal system... we only got a few concessions.

Do a comparison of "society" to a battery hen farm, and I think you'll be in for a shock (current working class are the hens)

[tk471138]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

You guys in the UK went to sleep at the switch and, while you were sleeping they took your guns. We will now have to wait and see won't we.
I suspect personal crime is already a problem and the crooks do have guns.

Good luck calling the cops, they'll sit down the street and wait for the shooting to stop. Then they'll herd up all the neighbors and anyone in the proximity hoping to get the shooter.

That is what they did in the USA at Columbine and Aurora. The cops sat outside at the most recent massacre in Aurora for over 20 minutes just waiting for the shooter to run out of bullets.

Cops aren't cowards, they are just folks with guns that don't want to get killed. They must figure it's your tough luck to be on the target range of some nut job.

Jane Fonda was a traitor. You need to read the account in the link I posted. She wasn't right about anything. She gave aid and comfort to the enemy. That by definition is a traitor.

The Vietnam could have been won, but the problems came from politicians. America pilots were forbidden to strike SAMs that were being onloaded and stockpiled in Hanoi harbor. Those SAMs would be firing upon our pilots within just a few days. The military were forbidden from striking Michelin rubber plantations and the VC used those plantations as safer harbor. Think on that next time you buy tires for your car. Those are just two examples of the counter-productive way the US government wanted the Vietnam war to proceed.

America had the resources to do the job on Vietnam. It was the politicians and the other rats in our government that caused over 58,000 men to die, not counting those maimed for life. They didn't want to win that war, they wanted to prolong it and keep pumping enormous sums of money into the Military industrial complex. The US was involved in Vietnam over 16 years.

Same story for Iraq, Afghanistan and soon to be Syria or Iran, if they have their way.

Don't be too self assured, it does seem UK politicians get the military involved with US every time in those little skirmishes that last for years and years. Afterall, it is justification for the lousy wars when more than a few countries are involved, even if they each only furnish 40 men to fight.

good stuff guy, but, to expand and highlight key points


wars in this day and age are not meant to be won they are simply meant to enrich the military industrial complex, the same one that President Eisenhower warned us about.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by tk471138

what you describe isnt freedom...just another misconception perpetuated by the media....


see in a free society unless you infringe or encroach on the rights of others you aught to be left alone....

Yes your right, that’s how society works, we are not 'free' in any way shape or form. We are granted freedoms as long as we toe the line and meet our obligations to our society. Even in your definition you are not 'free', you've put in clauses, who gives you the right to infringe on other peoples freedom?

A lot of the debate in this thread talks about the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms. Good on them. With that right is a huge amount of responsibility to see that those guns are not used for purpose that is not intended by their constitution.

How much responsibility? Responsibility to their faimilies that the guns are stored in appropriate mannor. Their children’s lives are at stake if the guns are stored inappropriately and the kids get access to them (gun safety education is really important). Responsibility to their Neighbors. Their neighbor’s lives are at stake if they go arseing about and firing their guns in an inappropriate manner.

Responsibility to the Law. Correct me if I'm wrong here guys from the USA, but I’d assume if you go walking down the street waving your assault rifle around firing indiscriminately you could expect a bullet in the head from your friendly law enforcement officer?

The freedom your talking about belongs on hippy communes and if it was wide spread it would quickly degenerate into anarchy. Simple as that. (Note that the 'Freedom' in Hippy communities was actually invented by old male hippies to get into young female hippies pants, but that is a completely different issue!)