SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Sternjaeger II]

guys, really? You know the rules...

[MadBlaster]

Some poeple just don't now how to take a joke. Zorin can take a joke. He's an alien.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Outlaw

Show me ONE SINGLE INSTANCE of someone "summarily executing" a "random or potential criminal" here in the US without prosecution.

Jack Ruby/ Lee Harvey Oswald



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The major thing to keep in mind here, with regards to "banning guns"; as soon as you ban something (take something offf the free market), you create a blackmarket


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Originally Posted by kammo

~ You are right that the reason why it happens must be addressed BUT you also have think how we can reduce amount of victims when someone goes bezerk. ~

When the reasons why are dealt with, the victim count stops... I'm sorry you don't see that

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I think right now, this day in time the mainstream media is just an advertisement delivery system. By that, I mean it is not about what they say or report as long as they can keep their customers buying ads.

Maybe more so in the U.S, but that in itself is a sad indictment of the deteroriating quality of your news and reporting since the obligation to give balanced coverage was so foolishly thrown away.

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Youtube and the internet sources are our only really decent prospects for getting viable information. Yes, there are some nut jobs posting, but they are generally easy to ferret out.

It is always your personal thinking that matters to yourself. It is important to think critically and alternatively. Information sources and creditability are frequently overlooked, when we favor the message.

It's all too easy to be completely selective in these circumstances - by only picking the items that agree with what you want to hear. Seems to be what has happened in the US with tv news - it's been turned into a market with stations targetting particular political views.

Newspapers in the UK are like this. Fortunately TV news still has to endeavour to be balanced.

Once a country has no access to news media that can be trusted (or no way of distinguishing who the trustworthy ones are) then democracy is in trouble.

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I can't tell about that, but there are plenty of videos up on the internet that don't mimic your points that are made about gun control in UK. I posted one above.

I agree with ArthurSmedley, that video about the UK guns issue was so biased as to be effectively propaganda. I suspect the reporter knew exactly what she was doing too. Seemed to be stitched up to satisfy a certain agenda for the U.S. audience.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I don't even know where to start in this thread. Those that think there is such a thing as a civilized society in the world today must be seriously demented. All of society is about money and power. Every ounce of it. A truly civilized society would care about all the people starving in the world instead of spending trillions in advertising for products they sell. They would think of others before themselves. But we don't. The world doesn't reward that. This is how society works. There is no such thing as a civilized society anywhere on this planet. So anyone saying that "I can't believe a civilized society like the US doesn't have more strict gun control/gun bans" is an absolute buffoon. We as a whole are very very very far from being civilized.

2ndly, any citizen should have every right to own damn near any gun/rifle/machine gun etc., they want. There's nothing worse than feeling/being helpless in a life threatening situation. NOTHING. Do you think that 100 Nazi soldiers could have gone into a town and rounded up 10's of 1000's of the Jewish had they all had been armed? Good fricken luck. The US does go to extremes on everything - anything from our cars, to our food, to our weapons, to our military, etc.. But one thing that will NEVER happen is some other country invading, or our own government rounding us up like sheep to be slaughtered. We contained the Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor, which is a very sad thing indeed. But there was no US soldiers out there killing the innocent civilians for crying, or trying to run etc. The absolute opposite of what happened when the Nazi's were rounding up the Jews and stealing all their possessions. I guarantee had the US army rounded up the Japanese and killed those that didn't line up like sheep, that our population would have gone after the military 10 fold. The white house would probably have been blown up etc. What can citizens of a country do that have no means of defending themselves when the citizens themselves are being raped, murdered, and slaughtered? Absolutely fricken nothing.

That's what always amazed me reading about WWII. The amount of countries that just fell right over when Germany invaded is baffling. The population of those countries easily out numbered the German military by 10 - 20 fold and hardly anyone could do anything about it except stand there with their tail between their legs, subdue, or get shot in the head by the only people with munitions.

The US has done it's fair share of being the stupid super power of the world, but one thing the government in the US will never be able to do is perform a genocide on it's own citizens. One word gets out and they'd have 50 million + armed citizens not letting that happen. All it takes is one crazy leader, the brainwashed citizens, the fellow military leaders, a whole bunch of propaganda and we'd have another Nazi Germany. I'm sorry, but as long as I live if I'm going out, I'm not going to do it defenseless. I'm not ever going to get to the point of marching into some gas chamber without being able to do anything about the situation in the 1st place.

You can think I'm crazy. You can think I'm insane. But the real story is had all the citizens in those other countries during WWII been gun-toting hippies like us in the US, Hitler would have had to change his tactics up just a bit before an invasion. Because, quite frankly, any country that would dare try to invade the US would have as much problem with the population as they would with the military. And that's the truth. Think guns are bad all you want. (I don't like them either tbh - which is funny because of how many 1000's of rounds I fire from all sorts of military weapons every week) But the main thing is, you'll think twice before occupying a country where citizens own anything from howitzers, 50 cals, 40mm automatic grenade launchers etc.) than countries where citizens have kitchen knives. That's a fact and a cold hard reality. Like I said, good luck to any country that brings their military to ours for a conflict. It should've been that way for all the poor innocent people killed during WWII that couldn't do a damn thing to defend themselves. We will never lose our guns. This is our mentality as a whole, and I'll never live somewhere where I don't have the right to defend myself against some sort of batshit crazy leader hell bent on genocide. Let alone some stupid thief that thinks they can just try to take what's mine. Call the mentality crazy. But us yanks are not about to put up with BS like that. I know I sure as hell won't.

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Jack Ruby/ Lee Harvey Oswald

Jack Ruby...

Convicted of the murder [of Lee Harvey Oswald] on March 14, 1964

15 second google search.

--Outlaw.

[Outlaw]

For those that have noted that we in America, and more specifically me, are, "scared", why do you feel so "safe" and unafraid in your country?

Do you think the people in your country who were brutally assaulted or murdered felt/feel that way as well? Do you wonder what they were thinking as they lay on the ground bleeding to death? Or what they were thinking when the last boot (that they remember) smashed into their head (or fist, pipe, bat, etc)?

Why do you believe you are different from them...that it won't happen to you?

And in response to those claims...

I am not afraid on a daily basis. But I do know how quickly things can go from a great day sitting on the porch to one of utter terror and chaos. If you're wondering, it's less than a second. And I do not delude myself into thinking it can't happen again. I was prepared then and I will prepared if it happens in the future.

--Outlaw.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Outlaw

Jack Ruby...

Convicted of the murder [of Lee Harvey Oswald] on March 14, 1964

15 second google search.

--Outlaw.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw

Show me ONE SINGLE INSTANCE of someone "summarily executing" a "random or potential criminal" here in the US without prosecution.


Jack Ruby/ Lee Harvey Oswald

Jack Ruby summarliy executed Oswald

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

But one thing that will NEVER happen is some other country invading, or our own government rounding us up like sheep to be slaughtered.

But aside from one aircraft that is exactly what happened with 9/11. Everyone just sat there.

The famous Milgram experiment in the 1950's were designed to prove that unlike other cultures (such as Germans and Japanese) average Americans were immune to Authoritarian influences and would disobey if ordered to do something immoral. As one would expect, Americans were every bit as likely to blindly obey authority as anyone else.

If anything, the strong hold of fundamentalism and rule-driven bible belt morality shows that the tendency to endorse and comply with authoritarian rules is strong in the US. (always bearing in mind the true fundamentalist needs a combination of both OCD and psychopathic personality disorders, but quite normal people can still be swayed to endorse the mind set)

In fact my personal impression is you are unlikely to get an uprising in the US against an authoritarian neo-fascist (fascist in the nazi sense of promoting "patriotism" as the ultimate good) government. However you are quite likely to get an uprising of gun toting militia in the US if a truly democratic government, that had upset big business and the religious right, got into power.

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Jack Ruby summarliy executed Oswald

Wow, I shouldn't have to but, here goes...


And he was prosecuted.

I didn't ask to be shown a person who summarily executed someone. I asked to show me one who did it WITHOUT prosecution.

--Outlaw.