SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

Yes I do. They are responding to this thread! While driving!

Going suicidal in light of the arguments appearing here? Can't blame them =)

[F19_Klunk]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

... Which in return makes the possession of weapons kinda pointless to begin with.

Amen to that...

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

funny read on an extremely serious topic... amazing that so many suffers from severe paranoia.

Comparing USA with countries by such as Syria and Libya, governed by dictators who willingly slaughters the population? Are you for real??

And what's the difference with a bloody oligarchy that sends thousands of youths to fight a war that is not theirs and die for nothing but enriching their own pockets? Are YOU for real?!

Btw....no one today is seriously arguing to take away all guns from homes in the States.. (and actually trying to do so would be a nightmare for anyone who cares about liberty and privacy, given that guns are stashed everywhere and may well outnumber people in America.) Instead, most proposals seek to regulate rather than prohibit--limiting the amount and type of ammunition, restricting the number of guns one can buy etc etc.

who needs a bloody machinegun!?!? I tell you who: crazy f**cs.

are you seriously promoting is should be this easy to buy a *** AK47???

Good luck with that. Besides, I haven't heard of any "crazy f***s" going on a killing spree with their MG42 or M60 lately, have you? But I tell you what, I would like to see you meeting one of these gentlemen and addressing them in that way.. you wouldn't get shot, you'd probably get a lecture in manners and humiliated by them and their down to earth attitude. Gun lovers don't use them against people, they will do all they can to keep their beloved guns. Last time I checked mowing people with machineguns wasn't ranking high in the list of popular social activities..

if you think this guy is crazy, u need a reality check.

he's not crazy, he's a victim, what you expect one that lived such a shocking experience to say? We all react to violence in different ways, there's people that killed and saw people dying around them during the war and keep on living a normal life, others don't.

Just get to know guns and the people that use them before judging them, don't feed yourself with the garbage you find on the internet.

[Outlaw]

Just for the record...

It has been illegal to purchase a fully automatic weapon (ie, "machine gun") in the US for over 70 years UNLESS you have gone through the licensing process which requires months and an extensive FBI background check. Furthermore, your inventory is limited to THE SINGLE SERIAL NUMBERED WEAPON for which the license noted. Therefore you need a license for EACH weapon.

The only significant use of fully automatic weapons in recent US history were the two bank robbers in LA. Amazingly enough THE ONLY DEATHS WERE THE TWO PEOPLE WITH THE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.

Additionally, most gun death statistics include accidents and suicides WHICH HAVE NO MEANING IN THE CONTEXT OF GUN CRIMES.

Even better, some gun death statistics include LEGAL SHOOTINGS IN WHICH A CITIZEN KILLED AN ATTACKER!!!!!

Often times the FBI statistics classify adult dependents of the head of household as "children" if they are 21 years or younger. So a 21 year old depressed college student who commits suicide is included in the same group as a 6 year old who accidentally kills themselves (or a playmate) with a firearm that was not properly secured.

Even a brain dead monkey can see HUGE HOLES in the statistics used by the anit-gun lobby.

--Outlaw.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Outlaw

Just for the record...

It has been illegal to purchase a fully automatic weapon (ie, "machine gun") in the US for over 70 years UNLESS you have gone through the licensing process which requires months and an extensive FBI background check. Furthermore, your inventory is limited to THE SINGLE SERIAL NUMBERED WEAPON for which the license noted. Therefore you need a license for EACH weapon.

I am not worried about the guy getting his background checked and then a license. I am afraid of the children discovering the keys to the weapons locker, the guy having to sell his weapon for liquidity reasons on the black market, the guy robbing the house of the one having a machine gun lying around, the guy losing his job and wife having a blackout moment. The list goes on.

The only significant use of fully automatic weapons in recent US history were the two bank robbers in LA. Amazingly enough THE ONLY DEATHS WERE THE TWO PEOPLE WITH THE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.

Well, now we know, if a criminal uses a fully automatic weapon, he will be the one to end up dead. I am sure other criminals learned that lesson and won't ever repeat that.

Additionally, most gun death statistics include accidents and suicides WHICH HAVE NO MEANING IN THE CONTEXT OF GUN CRIMES.

Yeah, but with gun related killings in general.

Even better, some gun death statistics include LEGAL SHOOTINGS IN WHICH A CITIZEN KILLED AN ATTACKER!!!!!

And that is positive, why....? Most people here come out of an attack with a broken nose at best. Hardly with bullet holes. But then again, even the criminals here know they do not have to expect a gun when they enter a house, and in return do not feel the need to bring their own. Result...lots of people actually getting old, both victims and criminals, both having chances to actually tell stories to their grandchildren.

Often times the FBI statistics classify adult dependents of the head of household as "children" if they are 21 years or younger. So a 21 year old depressed college student who commits suicide is included in the same group as a 6 year old who accidentally kills themselves (or a playmate) with a firearm that was not properly secured.

Well, that is the problem with firearms. They are made to kill. That is their only and original purpose. Now when someone gets killed...well, wouldn't have seen that coming.

Even a brain dead monkey can see HUGE HOLES in the statistics used by the anit-gun

--Outlaw.

If you are ague gun crime only, yes. If you argue common sense of so many households in a country that hardly has a concept of integrated society and the responsebilities coming with having free access to firearms, things look a bit different. This might work in Switzerland, a country that is on one page society wise and actually is amall enough that people get to know each other. But even there you have your eventual madman.

[ATAG_Doc]

Just so you can be placed at ease and the discussion can stay civil just make sure that you accept it is what it is today and the free ownership of firearms to its citizens will always be apart of the fabric of the United States. It will not change. It cannot. Its a right that isn't conveyed by a government but before it. A charter of negative liberties that state what they cannot not do. And the right shall not be infringed. So its like a tattoo it isn't going away.

[ATAG_Doc]

We don't elect UN members. But we distroy the careers of those that try to allow them to govern US. And self-preservation is always a strong motive.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by rhinomonkey

USA gun laws are similar to Canada and other countries but the USA has a far higher gun murder rate. This would suggest that the problem lies with the people or the society in wich they live rather then the laws.

Bingo! you nailed it

Readers may also notice Obama banging on about AK47's (one of the, or probably, the most effective easy to use and easily replenished weapon that ever was), not the AR15's which are more likely to be aquired.





"Take away guns and people will resort to swords...
Take them way and people will use knives and clubs...
Take them away and they'll resort to knitting needles.
Take them away and they'll head out to the garden shed and fashion something up"

[Sternjaeger II]

I'm sorry Bewolf, but you're sending postcards of wisdom from Utopia.

Your thinking should be valid for armies as well then, right? They're meant to do what they do (defending/attacking) by means of killing other people.

Are you ready to give up on the right do defend your freedom in name of a "no guns" policy?

As for the kids that find the keys to the locker etc... they're very rare cases, mainly because wise gun owners teach the responsibility and the risks related to firearms to their kids from a very young age.

[ATAG_Doc]

The entire disarm society thing only serves those who are in power. Nothing more. Europe just has to take whatever comes because there is nothing beyond holding a cardboard sign with a tired slogan written on it. Other than that that's pretty much it. Tomorrow is another day.