SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[rhinomonkey]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Well Canada is not like the US, and of course it's all about the people. Firearms per se are just a tool, they don't kill anyone if they're left untouched.

Agreed


once again, open a history book, or look for history of gun control in regimes..

Well history tells us that brutal regimes tend not to get overthrown by an armed population. What usually defeats a brutal regime is the military turning against it or a forign power stepping in. I don't think that an armed population on it's own would have that much of a chance against a military on it's own and it would lead to an entrenched drawn out bloody civil war. I also think that it's so unlikely that the population of a modern western democracy would have to defend it's self against it's own millitary, that on it's own its a weak excuse for gun ownership

it's not about need, it's about freedom to own a gun.

You are only free to do what your governments sets out in Law. Ultimate freedom is a misnomer. You are not completely free.
The simple fact is that people use guns to kill other people. the US has a terrible problem with gun murder it would be a responsible act by the governmnet to restrict access to guns. However the USA is a democracy and as such any act needs to be sactioned by the people, so, as long is there isn't the will to restrict guns it wont happen. This is why i couldn't lie in the USA for the same reasons i would not live in Somallia or Afghanistan. Lots of gun death and no restrictions on weapons.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by rhinomonkey

The simple fact is that people use guns to kill other people.

and that sums up the ignorance of many on the topic.

Don't you really think it's ridiculous to express such broad statements on a topic you obviously know nothing about?

[CaptainDoggles]

Aw, how cute, the pro-gun people are ignoring the statistics.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...1&postcount=29

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Aw, how cute, the pro-gun people are ignoring the statistics.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...1&postcount=29

a lot of statistics on murder rates don't take into account how the felony was perpetrated, gun-whiners give it for granted that it was a gun crime, that tells a lot about their bias..

[nearmiss]

It is important to remember history.

It has been reported so many times the German people during WW2 were complicit when they allowed Hitler to kill and destroy so many people. This is terribly inaccurate reporting.

Hitler conscripted all the guns right after he came into power. Hitler's army and collaborators had guns, but the German people were prevented from having guns. German citizens were shot on the spot for having guns. There are accounts of citizens being killed when they tried to surrender their guns to the Nazi.

When people have had no way to defend themselves, defend their rights or protect others, then despotic leaders have always had their way.

Look at North Korea. There are plenty of people under the thumb of that dictatorships right now. All over the world there are dictatorships empowered, because their people have no adequate means to resist or protect themselves.

[rhinomonkey]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

and that sums up the ignorance of many on the topic.

Don't you really think it's ridiculous to express such broad statements on a topic you obviously know nothing about?

Not really. Did you read the rest of my post? I cant see what's wrong with pointing out that people use guns to kill each other thats why there is high gun death rate in countries like USA Somialia and Afghanistan where there is no gun control mixed with social problems. I didn't say people only use guns to kill each other, i do realise that there are many legitimate reasons for owning firearms. Sport shooting, hunting, pest control etc.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by rhinomonkey

Not really. Did you read the rest of my post? I cant see what's wrong with pointing out that people use guns to kill each other thats why there is high gun death rate in countries like USA Somialia and Afghanistan where there is no gun control mixed with social problems. I didn't say people only use guns to kill each other, i do realise that there are many legitimate reasons for owning firearms. Sport shooting, hunting, pest control etc.

because you're distorting things with semantics. Yes, if you want to you can use a gun to kill a person, but same thing is with a car, a cricket bat, a knife... everything has a killing potential, but it's not the ban of such things that will control the animal spirit of human beings.

Massacres are a sad reality of human kind since the beginning of the homo sapiens day. Portable firearms on the other hand became available only in the late 19th century, to think that banning firearms will automatically stop violence is ludicrous for two main reasons:

1) criminals won't hand their weapons in, can you really imagine that happen?
2) psychopaths that want to kill will still do it.

The thing to understand is that people that commit such atrocities are not regular folks, they're mentally deranged. The problem is that gun licenses should be given following more effective checks on the person and with mandatory conditions such as "you need to attend your local shooting range regularly", I can guarantee that weirdos will be easily spotted in this way and the authorities will be warned promptly.

[Verhängnis]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

The thing to understand is that people that commit such atrocities are not regular folks, they're mentally deranged. The problem is that gun licenses should be given following more effective checks on the person and with mandatory conditions such as "you need to attend your local shooting range regularly", I can guarantee that weirdos will be easily spotted in this way and the authorities will be warned promptly.

This. ^^ And actually, what distinguishes a law enforcement agent owning a firearm to any other citizen? They are just as capable of going on killing sprees as the next man............