SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Zorin

What does a civilian need a machine gun for???

ask that to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto in 1944...

Guys, not another gun debate please, I don't think you can understand if you've never used one, and surely the higher moral grounds of some of the anti-gun people here show very poor historical memory and lack of common sense.

Feel free to live without the need for a gun, but please save your wit and sarcasm, because you never know in life when/if you're gonna need to handle a gun.. let's hope not, but if it happens you'd better know what to do..

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

ask that to the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto in 1944...

Guys, not another gun debate please, I don't think you can understand if you've never used one, and surely the higher moral grounds of some of the anti-gun people here show very poor historical memory and lack of common sense.

Feel free to live without the need for a gun, but please save your wit and sarcasm, because you never know in life when/if you're gonna need to handle a gun.. let's hope not, but if it happens you'd better know what to do..

There is a HUGE difference between knowing how to handle a gun and having your personal arsenal at home to be abused at will.

So perhaps get off your high moral ground and take CWMV's outdated quotations from men who never knew modern societies with you.

WE, the poeple who are against fire arms being kept in the hands of civilians, have actually learned from history and embrace the non-violent means of modern democracy, which have been developed by mankind as a lesson learned from history.

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by Zorin

WE, the poeple who are against fire arms being kept in the hands of civilians, have actually learned from history and embrace the non-violent means of modern democracy, which have been developed by mankind as a lesson learned from history.

ok,which is it Zorin?

1) you are a homo
2) you are a female
3) you are alien poeple visiting from another planet

cuz, that statement...like a "kick me" sign on your back.

[chantaje]

your joking madblaster right? , since when being a "homo" or a "female" is something bad or a type of insult?

the argument of weapons as a defence of the goverment abuses is bs in my opinion, anyone uses their weapons to figth against the massive robbery of the bailouts or the corrupt regulators that rape the dollar?

if anyone do that they would be "silenced" in a second, named as terrorist and would won a vacation to the paradisiac beaches of guantanamo. as they say earlier a rifle dont do sht against giant spying institutions , smart bombs and uavs.

just to make a shitty comparisson , in my country 40 years ago there was a military goverment, of course some tried to resist with rifles. today human rigths organizations are searching for theirs bones.. and my country military and intelligence agencies have no comparisson to the most militarized state of the world

[CWMV]

And the idea is that EVERYONE would rise against such a threat.

As I said, single armed persons are pointless. But when the populace of a nation as a whole are trained and armed very few governments could withstand their assault.
Your people were an example of this:
accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed
A few brave patriots cant do much, but when the population is galvanized change is not just possible but inevitable.


Now open question here, what fault can you find in this statement? Seems to be something all can agree on yes? Is this not a reasonable statement?
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by chantaje

the argument of weapons as a defence of the goverment abuses is bs in my opinion, anyone uses their weapons to figth against the massive robbery of the bailouts or the corrupt regulators that rape the dollar?

Come on man really? Has nothing at all to do with the argument at hand. I understand your angry about what happened, as are most, but trying to connect this and that are WAY, um...outside the box...

[MadBlaster]

yes, it was little joke. I try to take the cheap shot and offend people whenever I can. its my nature. born street fighter.

You have to remember, our country, USA, was founded on revolution and freedom. Guns, the willingness to fight or die for freedom, this is fundamental. No one supporting gun ownership is saying an armed citizenry will prevent corruption in business or government. It does not make a perfect world. What 2nd amendment is saying is that the people come first. The government is subordinate to the people. And the only way to enforce the people over the government in the final tally is to allow the people to have guns. It's a high stakes poker game for last 200+ years since the founding of the country. It also doesn't guarantee success. Democracy is messy. I fear the people may becomes so apathetic from all the government entitlements, free porn, video games and media circus that they forget why we have the 2nd amendment or why citizens should have guns. So they see this joker dude slaughter bunch of people tv and then have knee jerk reaction for gun control. This debate has been going on for decades and decades too.

[rhinomonkey]

USA gun laws are similar to Canada and other countries but the USA has a far higher gun murder rate. This would suggest that the problem lies with the people or the society in wich they live rather then the laws.

I find it amazing listening to the pro gun arguments. The attitude that gun restrictions are an afront to civil liberties to me sounds like utter madness. It's usually the same people that claim that universal healthcare is an attack on civil liberty! madness!

The only other countries that have high gun ownership and death rate are places in the developing world that suffer from high poverty and very corrupt or non existant government like somalia, afghanistan and south Africa. USA is interesting as it's a developed country and should have moved on by now but in some ways it hasn't. Personally i think that lack of robust health and welfare infastructure and the huge wealth gap may have something to do with it. For a rich country it's still very much dog eat dog.

Personally I would not want to live in a country where everyone felt the need to own firearms.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by rhinomonkey

USA gun laws are similar to Canada and other countries but the USA has a far higher gun murder rate. This would suggest that the problem lies with the people or the society in wich they live rather then the laws.

Well Canada is not like the US, and of course it's all about the people. Firearms per se are just a tool, they don't kill anyone if they're left untouched.

I find it amazing listening to the pro gun arguments. The attitude that gun restrictions are an afront to civil liberties to me sounds like utter madness. It's usually the same people that claim that universal healthcare is an attack on civil liberty! madness!

once again, open a history book, or look for history of gun control in regimes..

Personally I would not want to live in a country where everyone felt the need to own firearms.

it's not about need, it's about freedom to own a gun.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by rhinomonkey

USA gun laws are similar to Canada and other countries but the USA has a far higher gun murder rate. This would suggest that the problem lies with the people or the society in wich they live rather then the laws.

Bingo! you nailed it

Readers may also notice Obama banging on about AK47's (one of the, or probably, the most effective easy to use and easily replenished weapon that ever was), not the AR15's which are more likely to be aquired.





"Take away guns and people will resort to swords...
Take them way and people will use knives and clubs...
Take them away and they'll resort to knitting needles.
Take them away and they'll head out to the garden shed and fashion something up"