Aircraft peformances, is this joke ?

[skouras]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Why would Ilya release betas if they're not interested in our findings? The FM's have been a WIP for several betas and the devs clearly don't test them in house, otherwise they would be correct by now.

agreed

[Continu0]

But this would be very strange. If something is not influenced by different systems, then it is the flight-model.

If they want us to test the flightmodels alone, i can't understand why. I am sure they have easier ways to test them (graphs, datas form the game, etc.) than we have. So it wouldn't make sense at all to let us do the testing...

[ATAG_Snapper]

Yes, that is the way is should be, no question. However, the Flight Models have repeatedly been wrong with each retail and beta release, so clearly this is not the case.

I am confident that IvanK supplied the devs with the correct Flight Model data, as Ilya has gratefully acknowledged in this forum. However, not only did Ilya choose not to implement this FM data in the public release back in March, 2011....he has chosen to diverge further from the correct Flight Model data further and further with each successive retail and beta release.

Prior to the second-to-last 1.06 beta release, Ilya released through Black Six some selected RAF FM charts that were clearly incorrect, yet despite a collective outcry from this 1C community he opted to implement them anyway. At the time, those of us that voiced our concerns were told by other members of this forum "to stop complaining; it's a WIP -- the beta hadn't been released yet, so how do you know it will be wrong?" As if we can't read a flawed chart. True to form, beta (alpha?) was released -- it was a disaster. A "Hotfix" was quicky issued which made it a launchable disaster.

Now we have beta 1.07. Hurricanes don't start. Spitfire Mark I's don't start. Go to 12 lbs boost and you get less-than-87 octane performance for less than 2 minutes before the engine blows -- and remember to go to Full Lean Mixture while you do it. Ilya released this nonsense??? No mention in the beta readme notes. Oops.....no readme notes.

This is why I fully support anyone such as the OP who takes the trouble to do the testing that the devs SHOULD be doing -- while the rest of the 1C "community" sit on the sidelines at snipe at the effort.

[jf1981]

English is fried in the online, that is the result, the balance went from "red heavy" to "blue heavy" (understand red's too light performance)

I claim it should attach to what was at the time for this is realistic sim.

I'm not a pro "sides shall be balaced". That's why team work is there, it can do the difference, it really does I can attest.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by jf1981

That's why team work is there, it can do the difference, it really does I can attest.

But most ppl dont give a crap about it.
I'm no different, no even in real live.
(delegation is a different story tho)

[ATAG_Doc]

I hope they fix the service ceiling of all planes rather than tinker with just one sides FM. Both sides cannot reach their ceiling limits.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

I hope they fix the service ceiling of all planes rather than tinker with just one sides FM. Both sides cannot reach their ceiling limits.

Agree, Doc. Both sides' aircraft need fixing which should've been done long ago.

[jf1981]

Originally Posted by swiss

But most ppl dont give a crap about it.
I'm no different, no even in real live.
(delegation is a different story tho)

Was looking at Mig-3 and 109F, not that much different, I think it's going to be interesting flights if the models are right (battle of Moscow).

BTW did you mean you were selfish person ? Or maybe I just misunderstood.
I meant sometimes it does'nt matter wether the aircraft you're in is not so good if you've got a good wingman (or leader) ... sometimes.

I really need to learn to make myself clear.

[CWMV]

Still waiting on a proper Emil as well.
Sadly this has all already been said. Many, many times.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Still waiting on a proper Emil as well.
Sadly this has all already been said. Many, many times.

+1