A Question for my fellow COD lovers

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by Bob_Marley

Yeah real hilarious took everybodys money and left them with a broken game with no clue as to when it will be fixed. Then throw out little beta patches that fix some things and break others. I mean its not like it just needs abit of polish here were talking major flaws like the flying though trees and buildings and the lack of flyables still allot of work.

Hahaha. You made my day. Seriously, it IS hilarious. Do you marry a girl on first sight? Why didn't you wait for reviews? They took no ones money. You GAVE it to them for the product.
I can understand the problem with the system requirements but aside from that you make no sense.

If you are an early adopter live with the damn consequences. Also try to go out and experience life. This game is still supported and does get patches - unlike a freaking ton of other broken useless games I own.

I also don't like the flying through trees thing. But whatever. No one promised we'd collide with them. Why don't you buy a DCS game and a microscope so you can even SPOT a damn tree. This game looks stunning and works okay overall. There's no better sim out there and if you want one just go and make one. I'll even buy it

Originally Posted by BH_woodstock

was just a suggestion no need to get your panties in a bunch.

enthusiasm what a word eh? where would this world be without it.Where exactly would we all be if there wasnt some poor guy with a brilliant mind who is enthusiastic and stupid enough to do it for free?Tell that to the guys who make the version of HSFX you are flying right now.And added all those nice new aircraft for your enjoyment,added all those new features so your 10 year old version of Il2 is still as fun as it was today as it was back then.

yep..if only life was so simple.my point is dont be so fast to jump down somebodies back for asking a question.And not everyone is in it for the money.there are a few who do things for just the pure enjoyment of it.

No one does anything for free. Even the HSFX people don't. They do it because THEY want a better game and not because WE want a better game. That's how economy started. People specialized because THEY wanted something but also didn't want to starve just because they were good smiths but sucked at farming. Please don't be so naive as to believe that people do stuff for free...

Dude you sound like you need to calm your passion abit. As a paying customer i have the right to vent my opinion so why do you feel the need to attack me like an over protective fanboy?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by Madfish

Hahaha. You made my day. Seriously, it IS hilarious. Do you marry a girl on first sight? Why didn't you wait for reviews? They took no ones money. You GAVE it to them for the product.
I can understand the problem with the system requirements but aside from that you make no sense.

If you are an early adopter live with the damn consequences. Also try to go out and experience life. This game is still supported and does get patches - unlike a freaking ton of other broken useless games I own.

I also don't like the flying through trees thing. But whatever. No one promised we'd collide with them. Why don't you buy a DCS game and a microscope so you can even SPOT a damn tree. This game looks stunning and works okay overall. There's no better sim out there and if you want one just go and make one. I'll even buy it




No one does anything for free. Even the HSFX people don't. They do it because THEY want a better game and not because WE want a better game. That's how economy started. People specialized because THEY wanted something but also didn't want to starve just because they were good smiths but sucked at farming. Please don't be so naive as to believe that people do stuff for free...

Wow, Madfish, sounds like you got bit by life pretty bad.

I've not downloaded the HSFX mod, but I wasn't aware that there was a fee charged. Plus, you're very welcome to fly on the ATAG server at no charge -- ie. FREE. (Sure, someone will point out that we accept donations to help defray server costs, but that is strictly voluntary. The only "payment" we require is that everyone have a good time.) We're also indebted to the guys behind the scenes that maintain the server, design, test, and implement the missions, and do the stats for us......all for FREE.

At 58 years of age I'm no kid, and like most here have lived life's ups and downs (lots of THOSE). Yes, there are certainly many people out there who are purely "what's in it for me" -- no question. But I share Woodstock's conviction that there are many talented individuals within our own 1C Forum community that would gladly undertake CoD mods and improvements, given the necessary SDK tools, and charge not one penny in return.

[Madfish]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Wow, Madfish, sounds like you got bit by life pretty bad.
I've not downloaded the HSFX mod, but I wasn't aware that there was a fee charged.

You are joking right? I didn't get bit by life at all just because I don't confuse the meaning of words with the origin behind them.

Again: The HSFX people aren't gfx specialists from bethesda, ID or whatever - they are people who are actually playing the game and want to make it better for THEMSELVES and the community around them. Free as in no fee yes - but not as in "I'm doing this for others without any gains for myself".

Plus, you're very welcome to fly on the ATAG server at no charge -- ie. FREE. (Sure, someone will point out that we accept donations to help defray server costs, but that is strictly voluntary. The only "payment" we require is that everyone have a good time.)

I know the cost of servers... let's just not get into this
That aside it's not free. The clan / whatever uses the server as well. Also the people who actually run it.
Would it run if no one would play on it? If no one would benefit from the players on it? No, it wouldn't.
If you feel charitable run a server for a marine institute or whatever. But it's not free, it's for pleasure.

We're also indebted to the guys behind the scenes that maintain the server, design, test, and implement the missions, and do the stats for us......all for FREE.

Again: they're not doing it because they aren't benefitting from it. That is NOT free as it doesn't cost anything that wouldn't have to be invested anyways.

At 58 years of age I'm no kid, and like most here have lived life's ups and downs (lots of THOSE). Yes, there are certainly many people out there who are purely "what's in it for me" -- no question. But I share Woodstock's conviction that there are many talented individuals within our own 1C Forum community that would gladly undertake CoD mods and improvements, given the necessary SDK tools, and charge not one penny in return.

Don't misunderstand me. I don't want to attack you and I like "free" stuff as well.... But what's needed right now isn't some funny google sketchup house or tree models. What's needed are core engine fixes at a level of code that cannot even be revealed to the public anyways. And even if they would, which would be suicide, would skilled programmers of totally unrelated projects (not even playing this game) help out? Or just individuals who'd actually profit themselves because they play the game? A code review of a game like CloD would take ages anyways.


And who would manage all that? Keep it under control? Why not just kill the game and open source it to begin with? How can MG protect their code if you want them to open source it? How can they create sequels if fans can add and mod whatever they want using an SDK? Who will keep art direction etc. streamlined and under control? How would mods work if the core engine is broken anyways?
There are so many side effects to this "free" mentality... and many of them are just chaotic and uncontrollable. I can't really see any benefit CURRENTLY.

The SDK will probably come at a later stage. But it bears risks and needs to be managed. Something they probably don't have time for right now. Now is NOT the time for free in terms of mods and hasty patches. "Free" (as in pleasure) comes later, after the core engine mess is solved. You can't build a house without a sturdy foundation.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Madfish, you're playing at semantics in a very nasty way. If people do something that they happen to greatly enjoy, then willingly and gladly share it with others at no cost with no strings attached.....then it's FREE. Period. All the other crap you're spouting is just that.

I've encountered other unpleasant people on this forum, but you're the first I'm putting on IGNORE. I want nothing to do with you, whatsoever.