What are you seeing / hearing in the new update?

[von Brühl]

Clouds don't give nearly the fps hit that they used to, can't wait for more missions with heavy cloud cover.

[ATAG_Bliss]

What I'm seeing (all online)

The Bad

-Still terrible FPS hits on the ground especially with dust.
-Clouds still cause an unacceptable FPS hit when an enemy is near and clouds don't really work anyways. Limited to 1500m in height and only a medium setting in FMB
-Stutters seem the same / but seem to happen more randomly
-netcode is still untouched / laggy/warping with 40+ players / AI fly sideways / Ships fly in the air / Ships don't sink sometimes.
-LOD is terrible on distant aircraft. You might as well put a magnifying glass on your screen if you're playing at native resolution to spot a plane only 500m away.
-Dot transition is still terrible. Absolutely no AA/AF at a distant contact. Zoom in and you think you're playing an Atari (while looking at a bogie)
-New Stuka siren only heard by the pilot of that Stuka. No external siren at all.
-New models of aircraft fail to have their engines start online
-Same graphics bugs in various cables/controls in planes where you can see through them
-default skins packs that came with the game still don't show up if server has skin download off
-etc.,etc.,etc.,
-Basically - too many bugs to list.
-I could write a page of bugs just in the FMB alone, but they've all been reported here time and time again.

Good

-Tracer distance looks nice.
-Ricochets look nice
-Game does "feel" more smooth
-No CTD in 4 hours of play
-UBI logo fixed
-You can get out of a spin in a 109 now
-stuka has a siren (in cockpit only)
-can't think of anymore right now

[Ze-Jamz]

Wow Bliss...

I know this is a Beta but that amount of bugs (still) after all this time?

How many so called Betas are we going to get...seems to me they still have a mountain to climb as from what i gathered the devs only seemed to think its the FMs that needed the most work, definitely 1 step forward and 3 back.....

Flew again for 30mins, didn't ctd in game but did once id landed and hit the escape button also I'm not sure if its because I've been flying hsfx a bit lately but the 109 doesn't seem as stable?, I'm not on about when trying to recover stalls and spins but general flying...bit too twitchy?

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Wow Bliss...

I know this is a Beta but that amount of bugs (still) after all this time?

How many so called Betas are we going to get...seems to me they still have a mountain to climb as from what i gathered the devs only seemed to think its the FMs that needed the most work, definitely 1 step forward and 3 back.....

The "1 step forward, x steps back" thing implies they are breaking stuff. In reality, these are gameplay bugs that have existed for a long time and still exist because they are not graphics bugs--> this series of patches is meant to fix what everyone wanted the most from the start: graphical performance.

The rest is just whatever they can squeeze in as time permits (eg, AI fixes, the 100 octane RAF fighters), but the focus is on stability and performance.

In the grand scheme of things, i think it's time to look at the big picture somewhat and gradually get the tools to recreate a bombing campaign.

We've had to wait a year and a half for a working gyrocompass on the Ju88 and we didn't raise as much of a fuss as the one some people are currently raising about the autogen bug with the trees

And the reason is that there are too many people who will drown you out, because they care mostly about 2 things: having their favorite fighter to fly and acceptable FPS. The rest of the sim is largely lost to them, to the point that it's not that they don't care, but many don't even know that there are things needing fixing besides what they ask for.

I say let's report the remaining bugs and get them sorted. If this patching sequence is successful and results in an official patch that fixes stability/performance, the gameplay bugs will then be easier to deal with. For example, we could be getting mini-fixes that deal with a specific aircraft each week

[philip.ed]

You mention graphical improvement BD, but many features seem to get worse in this department: the lighting, the cockpits, now the autogen...

...it adds up to the point where it feels it is two steps back. If the game engine can't currently handle such graphics, they shouldn't have been so optimistic in the first place.

[skouras]

we got siren on stuka now
just deploy your airbrakes

[salmo]

Originally Posted by skouras

we got siren on stuka now
just deploy your airbrakes

1. Stuka siren partialy works, but still no working red/blue air raid sirens.
2. Noticed large shock-waves given off from bombs when they explode. I don't recall seeing that before.

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

You mention graphical improvement BD, but many features seem to get worse in this department: the lighting, the cockpits, now the autogen...

...it adds up to the point where it feels it is two steps back. If the game engine can't currently handle such graphics, they shouldn't have been so optimistic in the first place.

I have to agree with this post and to add to it I have to say the stability for me is worse then before, I am now getting launcher exe crash on most single player games after I exit with Esc, or if press to Restart to start a mission. I have to say I worry that it's taken 15 months to try and fix things like the Launcher exe crashes and yet they are still trying to fix it 15 months later. You talk about the other fixes BD, but to me it seems for every fix they make something else goes wrong. Surely after 15 months we shouldn't be seeing launcher exe crashes.

[David198502]

yeah, sorry blackdog, but i cant agree with your optimism either...
for me the game runs as bad as one year ago performance wise but:

they took away many of the graphics features(like shadows below clouds or reflections of clouds on water)
cockpits are still low resolution when the plane gets damaged
they introduced a major bug approximately one year ago:LOD problem in mid range, where planes disappear completely(not solved in anyway after one year)
the launcher crashes were introduced with the first rewrite of the graphics engine!

so if they really focused only on the graphics engine, its performance and stability, then the result until now is pretty poor.

[Steuben]

Apart from the trees and the framedrop when Spitfire and german bombers meet in midair i have no problem at all! The sim is not perfect but it is worth now flying some Multiplayer coops! That what counts for me.

BTW: I installed the patch according to the list from blackdog! But before that i ran CCleaner und defragmentated my harddrive. I did everything i could to optimize my system. I get an initial frame drop when entering clouds but it normalizes almost immidiatly. Trees are an issue but a minor one to me. I had no Launcher crash for hours of flying with this new patch ...so everything is fine with me.

A lot of things still need to be fixed! I hope they can do that!