CLOD features discussion and speculation (moved from Friday June 15-2012 update)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

AoA, as correct as you are

Agreed 100%

Originally Posted by philip.ed

, at no point were such statements retracted.

I seem to recall a post in this forum just prior to release that stated what did and didn't make it into the final release.. wrt what had been talked about over the years of development. If you missed it, sorry bout your bad luck! But even if that is not the case, since they were never official stated, listed, advertised, and or promised said features there was no reason, need, and or requirement to retract them.

Hope that helps!

S!

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I seem to recall

S!

Yeah right....post a link to this alleged post before release. Anyone else but Ace remember this pre-release post admitting all the things that were broken or missing from the game? Probably just a dream Ace had...

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I seem to recall a post in this forum just prior to release that stated what did and didn't make it into the final release.. wrt what had been talked about over the years of development. If you missed it, sorry bout your bad luck! But even if that is not the case, since they were never official stated, listed, advertised, and or promised said features there was no reason, need, and or requirement to retract them.

Hope that helps!

S!

First of all, this must surely be a dream of yours, because the team never went through the interviews retracting what features they had claimed would appear in the game.
I'm still waiting for the proof, AoA. Not some ridiculous: "it's there, look for it, good luck!" smarmy post. Genuine, concrete, proof.
Frankly I don't think you've been round these forums long enough in the build up to the game to provide any kind of objective stance on the development, and perceptions in the lead up to the release.

Indeed, surely any information from a member of the team classes any information as official? Without a disclaimer in any interviews to say that such information is subject to change, anyone has reasonable grounds to question.

Originally Posted by Force10

Yeah right....post a link to this alleged post before release. Anyone else but Ace remember this pre-release post admitting all the things that were broken or missing from the game? Probably just a dream Ace had...

Haha exactly right.

Anyone read Animal Farm? In a year Ace will be telling us it's a dream the game was so poor on release, and that actually it functioned beautifully.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I'm still waiting for the proof, AoA.

Your wait is over..

Luither said this about a month before the RU release of CoD..

Originally Posted by luither

I have to add a disclaimer here because when I don't it bites us in the rear. Everything I'm discussing in terms of future plans is a work in progress and is subject to change. As a matter of fact, it's pretty much a guarantee that the final feature will be different from what I'm describing today.

Please gentlemen, understand that game development is a very long, complex process. Plans we describe are just that, plans. Every single thing we said we were working on, we were indeed working on at the time. Working is the key work here. We're doing something no one, including ourselves, has ever done before. So when we tell you that we're working on something, that means we are walking down an uncertain road and we don't know when we get there, and what shape we're going to be in when we do.

WORK. IN. PROGRESS. Please understand these simple words.

link http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=114

Hope this helps!

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Your wait is over..

Luither said this about a month before the RU release of CoD..



link http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=114

Hope this helps!

It's helpful, but ambiguous. At no point does he make any suggestion towards features which will be omitted, and as has been pointed out, there is no list of omitted features.

It's a post which people need reminding about though, but doesn't answer the question for the simple fact that Oleg talked of features which were never really discussed again. A map builder, which looked finished - for instance - which many took for granted would just be included.

Anyway, enough of this now. thanks for bringing this post up, as it was a good read

[bongodriver]

WOW.....how are people not getting that the 'ambiguity' is the reason there is no list, the whole point was to say that 'everything' is under review.....as in anything you could care to list is included in the 'blanket' statement.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

WOW.....how are people not getting that the 'ambiguity' is the reason there is no list, the whole point was to say that 'everything' is under review.....as in anything you could care to list is included in the 'blanket' statement.

Bingo!

[Force10]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

WOW.....how are people not getting that the 'ambiguity' is the reason there is no list, the whole point was to say that 'everything' is under review.....as in anything you could care to list is included in the 'blanket' statement.

We know that nothing specific was said. "Someone" here was telling us they did say what would and wouldn't be in the release. I'm not sure who said it....let me look....Oh, here ya go.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I seem to recall a post in this forum just prior to release that stated what did and didn't make it into the final release

I guess we should have just considered the source and known it was fictitious.

[Lexicon]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

WOW.....how are people not getting that the 'ambiguity' is the reason there is no list, the whole point was to say that 'everything' is under review.....as in anything you could care to list is included in the 'blanket' statement.

Hello,

Something I dont really get though. What was Luthier's (1C) purpuse to show all those WIP things if in the end he did not have the intention or capabilty
to put it in the game ? Even as a patch ?

Sorry but I dont understand the reasons why...

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

WOW.....how are people not getting that the 'ambiguity' is the reason there is no list, the whole point was to say that 'everything' is under review.....as in anything you could care to list is included in the 'blanket' statement.

You miss the point: there are two sagas to the development of CloD as we know it (by that I mean the current DX version of the game):
-the original, pre announcement, updates by Oleg
-the updates, post announcement, by both Oleg and Luthier. (By announcement I mean the first ones with shots over shrek Island)

Luthier's comment was about what he had spoken about: thus the second category. Everything Oleg spoke about and showed in the first saga was either tangible, or treated as a given feature. For instance, he said X would be in the game, and this was never spoken of again.

The ambiguity in question is what Luthier is actually referring to. It's very easy to assume he meant the whole saga of CloD, but really if you were to travel back to the time when Furbs asked that question, it's very likely the previous 'promises' had escaped their attention, and they were thus talking about everything that was in the limelight post announcement.
Features like the map-builder, as I said, were treated as a given to appear in the game. Luthier may have made a post somewhere within a 70 page update topic to say this feature might not be included, but it certainly doesn't support any claim that a feature by feature list of what's not included every surfaced.

And certainly due to the ambiguity which I clearly emphasised, and which Luthier's comment doesn't do justice to, there is every reason for someone to feel misled.

I honestly don't feel the team did intend to mislead at all. However, given that they are working on a sequel already, it poses the question of when these features will be added in. I'd certainly sooner see an SDK and map builder than another scrap in an area I don't care about.