More renders of SoW and Galba aircraft models.

[Abbeville-Boy]

wow look great, reporting for duty sir

[Feuerfalke]

Good Lord.

I posted before that after the next updates people will rant even more quickly and more violent, but I must confess I utterly underestimated some of you folks.

This has nothing to do with wanting information or feeling left in the dark any more. This has become a completely nonsense bashing of everything and anybody, showing complete disrespect even to those working on their weekends to get that sim out for you.

And now luthier was so kind to give you an update and an insight on the work going on and you have nothing better to do than tell them how their work has to be done and call him a liar?

If there isn't such a thing for PC-games, there is now: A difference between fans and hooligans. IMHO some of you crossed the red line by far and I'm really ashamed that luthier and Oleg have to read through this.

You may call it brown nose-talk. I'm just shocked about the complete absence of simple things like respect and good manners. Your luck that I am not a moderator here....


Thanks for the update, luthier and Oleg. The detail on the planes, internal and external are awesome!

[proton45]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

Good Lord.

I posted before that after the next updates people will rant even more quickly and more violent, but I must confess I utterly underestimated some of you folks.

This has nothing to do with wanting information or feeling left in the dark any more. This has become a completely nonsense bashing of everything and anybody, showing complete disrespect even to those working on their weekends to get that sim out for you.

And now luthier was so kind to give you an update and an insight on the work going on and you have nothing better to do than tell them how their work has to be done and call him a liar?

If there isn't such a thing for PC-games, there is now: A difference between fans and hooligans. IMHO some of you crossed the red line by far and I'm really ashamed that luthier and Oleg have to read through this.

You may call it brown nose-talk. I'm just shocked about the complete absence of simple things like respect and good manners. Your luck that I am not a moderator here....


Thanks for the update, luthier and Oleg. The detail on the planes, internal and external are awesome!

Agreed...its kind of embarrassing.

Some of the people posting comments here are showing a lack of "class"...their are ways of asking questions, and expressing feelings without being rude or disrespectful.

If I had people picking apart every bit of information I released, I might think twice before posting any updates... or visiting.

Its interesting how some people perceive the "business man" to "consumer" relationship and how they feel it differs from a "normal" person to person dynamic... Some consumers of the "IL2" products feel that their purchase of the game "entitles" them special treatment. One comment you hear time and time again is "I bought all the IL2 games, and I plan on buying BoB SoW so Oleg owes me an explanation... he promised me an explanation...he broke his promise."

In the normal world you would be nice to people you wanted to hear from, but some people feel that because they bought the game that they no longer have to treat Oleg like a normal human being... they feel that their purchase means that they can talk to Oleg in any way that they want to.

Interesting...

[Theshark888]

All of us here are posting on an official fan site and would not be doing so unless we had a great interest in sims and SOW in particular. We all have a right to vent and give our opinions positive or negative.

If someone makes a negative post or questions the powers at be, so be it and move along or comment...you will probably get a comment back. It also goes the other way, blindly agreeing with info that is kinda separated from reality will be questioned by someone. Be it programming time, FW 190 windscreens, ammo loads, FM's, choice of flyable aircraft, lack of cockpit info, copyright issues, etc.

If you want to follow lock step and believe the company line, fine. But don't get upset when some of us will not follow so quietly and try to question everything!!

[proton45]

Originally Posted by Theshark888

All of us here are posting on an official fan site and would not be doing so unless we had a great interest in sims and SOW in particular. We all have a right to vent and give our opinions positive or negative.

If someone makes a negative post or questions the powers at be, so be it and move along or comment...you will probably get a comment back. It also goes the other way, blindly agreeing with info that is kinda separated from reality will be questioned by someone. Be it programming time, FW 190 windscreens, ammo loads, FM's, choice of flyable aircraft, lack of cockpit info, copyright issues, etc.

If you want to follow lock step and believe the company line, fine. But don't get upset when some of us will not follow so quietly and try to question everything!!

Not really what I'm talking about...

[choctaw111]

It seems as though there are those that feel that because they bought the product (Il2) from Oleg, they can "push" him around and demand that they are the ones giving him a paycheck, and that if he wants another paycheck (ie BoB) he had better hurry up, do it THEIR way, or they won't buy it. What few people post here ( in relation to total sales ) won't make any difference in the grand scheme of things if they choose not to buy BoB.
The fact that Oleg has received money for the copy ( or ten copies ) of Il2 that we have purchased does not make us the boss. If that were true, then we would have a classic case of too may chiefs and not enough indians, if you know what I mean.
Even in the latest update, many are speculating about this and about that..."Why is Oleg even working on this aircraft...What a waste of time" For all those who are skeptical, I wish you would keep your comments to yourselves. It is things like this that keeps Oleg and Ilya away, and this is not the first time someone has said this. Even Ilya has said himself that no "good" updates will be made for a while until things are "perfect" as there will be those that will whine and complain knowing full well that these are work in progress shots, not the final release.
Ilya almost came right out and said it. They are tired of the whining and complaining around here from some of you...This isn't right, that's not right...Even when patches were released for Il2 there were many complaints, about every single patch. It is true that there were some legitimate issues, and Oleg fixed them, but many were foundless.
Oleg is a good man with the same passion for WW2 aircraft that I have, and I am so glad that someone like him has taken so much of his time to make such a great work of art like Il2. But even that wasn't enough for Oleg. I am not sure what Oleg's motivations are ( but I am so glad he has them) but he had to do even better and start making SoW:BoB. I have been really impressed with this man in the past, and he has earned my trust as I am sure he has with many of you. I know that he is working hard and when the day comes that BoB has come to fruition, I will be overwhelmed to see how much was put into it.

[akdavis]

Oleg, Luthier, et al.

Know that for every troll and mouthbreather lurking about these assorted forums, there are many of us who have likely invested far more time (and money!) in the series patiently (and quietly) waiting on the sidelines for our chance to jump back in to the game. We know that no matter how long it takes, SoW will be truly great and have every confidence in the progress we've seen in development so far.

Take care,
Alan

[proton45]

Maybe the people who sow the seeds of discontent are working secretly for some unknown (yet unannounced) flight-combat sim... maybe they are trying to undermine the community or trick Oleg into divulging "secret" features that he is developing for BoB SoW (LOL!!)

[proton45]

Originally Posted by choctaw111

It seems as though there are those that feel that because they bought the product (Il2) from Oleg, they can "push" him around and demand that they are the ones giving him a paycheck, and that if he wants another paycheck (ie BoB) he had better hurry up, do it THEIR way, or they won't buy it. What few people post here ( in relation to total sales ) won't make any difference in the grand scheme of things if they choose not to buy BoB.
The fact that Oleg has received money for the copy ( or ten copies ) of Il2 that we have purchased does not make us the boss. If that were true, then we would have a classic case of too may chiefs and not enough indians, if you know what I mean.
Even in the latest update, many are speculating about this and about that..."Why is Oleg even working on this aircraft...What a waste of time" For all those who are skeptical, I wish you would keep your comments to yourselves. It is things like this that keeps Oleg and Ilya away, and this is not the first time someone has said this. Even Ilya has said himself that no "good" updates will be made for a while until things are "perfect" as there will be those that will whine and complain knowing full well that these are work in progress shots, not the final release.
Ilya almost came right out and said it. They are tired of the whining and complaining around here from some of you...This isn't right, that's not right...Even when patches were released for Il2 there were many complaints, about every single patch. It is true that there were some legitimate issues, and Oleg fixed them, but many were foundless.
Oleg is a good man with the same passion for WW2 aircraft that I have, and I am so glad that someone like him has taken so much of his time to make such a great work of art like Il2. But even that wasn't enough for Oleg. I am not sure what Oleg's motivations are ( but I am so glad he has them) but he had to do even better and start making SoW:BoB. I have been really impressed with this man in the past, and he has earned my trust as I am sure he has with many of you. I know that he is working hard and when the day comes that BoB has come to fruition, I will be overwhelmed to see how much was put into it.

Great minds think alike... (but you said it a little better then I did)

Jesus guys, you really need to get out more, i haven't found any of the posts in here to be rude or insulting I've seen some frustration a little bit of disbelief and a lot of questioning but nothing that would not happen on a day to day basis in any commercial business. All of these so called insults have done nothing but good, even Luthier has understood that there has been a break down in communication which he hopes to rectify over the coming months, so a big round of applause to all those people who have got the bollocks to ask questions to query statements and not to blindly go along with everything said, we could always start a new forum for all those people who want to sit and nod heads, cheer and agree - we could get president Bush to be a moderator!

P.S. Thanks for the last post Luthier keeping good comms is a definite step forward.